Warez_Zealot
Rural land of the rising sun
join:2006-04-19
japan
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Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating
said by TKJunkMail  :said by Warez_Zealot :said by TKJunkMail :I think that " PIRATE Bay" being the biggest torrent tracker says a lot about the bogus claims that bittorrent use isn't primarily used for pirating(coyright infringement) music and videos. Maybe if they offered content at the price of 10 cents a song or movies at like $2 - $3 dollars people would pirate less. If they can move more quantity and charge less instead of charging more and selling less they would still make a lot. Anyways, guaranteed half they stuff downloaded is deleted right away after they realize the content is complete garbage. How about for free: » ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gUiU···8UE4GC82Qtrax, which makes its debut Sunday, is the latest online music venture counting on the lure of free music to draw in music fans and on advertising to pay the bills, namely record company licensing fees.
Qtrax downloads can be stored indefinitely on PCs and transferred onto portable music players, however.
The service, which boasts a selection of up to 30 million tracks, also promises that its music downloads will be playable on Apple Inc.'s iPods and Macintosh computers as early as March. Copy to music players OK, but can't copy to CDs. »technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol···4556.ece
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
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Movies will always make money. I used the George Lucas example to illustrate situations where a large capital investment is required. Movies like Star Wars would merely sell for more and if they didn't sell enough, well then I guess the product shouldn't be on the market. Episode two made plenty of money though and this is in the bitorrent hay day. It's not like anyone who is going to use bitorrent isn't already using it (because the probability of getting caught is so low) and the companies don't make money off of the lawsuits and make relatively little off of the settlements in the case of their blackmail tactics. |
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swhx7
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Elbonia
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"And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating"?? Seriously? Can you cite examples where anyone makes that claim?
I think a lot of people have pointed out that there is a significant amount of non-infringing content on bittorrent - not that it's a majority. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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Obviously the writers and producers are getting more than zilch, or else they wouldn't be writing and producing. The writer's strike is about obtaining a cut of the revenue stream from the studios providing online content. It's a relatively new revenue stream. The writers were already getting their cut for traditional broadcasts and distribution mechanisms.
I welcome a day that consumers deal directly with artists (which can work for content such as music and books), but I don't see it happening for larger productions that truly cost money to produce...like high quality movies. How will George Lucas continue to make his millions if piracy runs rampant in illegally distributing his movies? What's his motivation to continue making movies? |
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WALL_E
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said by quatrix :Yeah, and maybe if the government gave more handouts then criminals wouldn't rob liquor stores. Must be the government's fault. Regardless of your stance regarding the legality of file sharing, the industry needs to stop thinking of P2P and BitTorrent as the enemies and start thinking about them as competition. They have to settle for the fact that they'll never be able to stop P2P - they'll have to compete.
I'll gladly pay a reasonable fee to download DRM-free content to my computer rather than muck around in BitTorrent or Usenet. I want to support artists. The industry just needs to be more reasonable regarding their pricing and use of DRM.
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bigunk
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join:2001-02-10
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said by kamm :Utter BS - US is one of the lowest taxing countries in the Western world. It's nothing but a stupid, primitive attempt to fool people to think BUsh is actually doing something - it's a preposterous idea and has nothing to do with any kind of economic 'jumpstart'. Go back and read my first post. I never said anything about Bush doing anything. 600 bucks won't make me or break me. It will buy some beer and sushi. What I DID say is Plasticosi wanted the refunds to go to those who did not pay into the system. She is among those trying to buy votes for herself and her party.
But the fact still remains, any and all money coming back to we the people is simple overtaxation. We are owed more. Far more.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
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Free - GOOD. DRM - bad. must use their software which can download other scumware to your system - BAD.
When the service works with WMP, Call me!
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the reason the piracy model works is because theres no bullshit with DRM, low encode rates or any of the other crap these paysites have. THEY STILL DONT GET IT!
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
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said by bigunk :lol, aren't people getting $600 each from your Fed gov? Yep, but that's because we're overtaxed. They are giving us back some of OUR money that they stole from us. Without interest, I might add. All tax cuts and refunds are an ackowledgement that the gubmint has taken too much of what WE earned. Utter BS - US is one of the lowest taxing countries in the Western world.
It's nothing but a stupid, primitive attempt to fool people to think BUsh is actually doing something - it's a preposterous idea and has nothing to do with any kind of economic 'jumpstart'.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating
said by Warez_Zealot :said by quatrix :Yeah, and maybe if the government gave more handouts then criminals wouldn't rob liquor stores. Must be the government's fault. lol, aren't people getting $600 each from your Fed gov? Look, those Fed checks are usually only for the rich ones who does not need it - a.k.a. tax breaks - and this time these checks got a lot smaller and go for almost everybody... |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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Qtrax site up and running; but check warnings at end of msg
said by TKJunkMail :said by stltech :shame that Qtrax is down right now! They claim back up in 24 hours. Please check back in 24 hours to download the first, free, and legal P2P music application. I guess when it hit the newswires their servers offering up the new software downloads got buried. Looks like they got the site up and running again:
»www.qtrax.com/
They have a message that their software download will be available at Midnight EST.
Of course, legal though it may be, it is P2P based, and depending on how they implemented it, it may be throttled by Comcast or other ISPs if their software tends to flood upstream bandwidth.
They say their software is developed off a Gnutella based platform: »www.qtrax.com/legal.php
QTRAX/QTRAXMAX is a free, Gnutella-based file sharing software allowing users around the world to make peer-to-peer connections with each other. But be careful what you share:
We have no control over the information and data being disseminated or contained on any Gnutella network. You are ultimately responsible for the material you choose to upload, download and share with others. You will be personally liable for downloading and/or sharing infringing materials or copyrighted works.
We are, however, conscious of the legal issues involving sharing of certain types of files and ultimately these issues will be decided by the Courts or an Act of Parliament/Congress.
In the mean time, however, we expect all users of QTRAX/QTRAXMAX to comply with applicable laws, to respect the moral and legal rights of copyright authors and owners, and to use the Gnutella network in a responsible and law abiding way. While ideas are not fully protectable (only the expression of ideas), users who do share their own ideas with others expect others not to steal their protected works. THEREFORE, DO NOT STEAL FILE TYPES WHICH YOU DO NOT HAVE A LAWFUL RIGHT TO OWN OR USE.
So, it looks like their software could be used to trade music and other files NOT on their list of licensed music. Getting you in trouble with the RIAA or others who may come sniffing around thru your shared folders.
They may not have all their LEGALITIES lined up as they said:
»mashable.com/2008/01/27/warner-m···h-qtrax/
»www.alleyinsider.com/2008/01/war···wmg.html
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Boogeyman
Drive it like you stole it
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join:2002-12-17
Huntsville, AL | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating
And thats what bit torrent was originally designed to combat.
Too bad everyone hates it so much, or you could have whatever file that is already. |
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BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
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said by bigunk : Nancy Plasticosi pandering for votes from the illegal aliens.  Huh?
Think you forgot your /sarcasm.  |
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
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i like the idea of making music and movies more reasonably priced, but how are the singers and actors (or should i say brats high on themselves) going to feel when they realize they can't afford a third ferrari, third multi-million dollar house, or that their acting/singing is crap and isn't worth ~$20/cd or +$8/movie_ticket? you know they have feelings too. 
such life and there is not much you can you about it for the most part. with the riaa/mpaa/actors/singers holding pretty much all the money and power, they can buy off government with ease and higher a fleer of lobbyists if they so choose. |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY
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The writers and producers already get zilch. Didn't you hear about the writers strike. These useless incompetent fat cats are the looters of the world. They work by means of collusion. They have never produced anything of value themselves. They squabble with the producers over pennies. Your argument is moot. Greed is wonderful, but those that try to profit on the backs of others (without exchanging equal value for that labor) are the worst kind of scum.
Myspace and bitorrent will soon see the day that the artists are free to profit and exercise their greed on a fair and level playing field, with those consumers who are willing to trade their hard earned dollars for something they see as of equal value. Right now artists make most of their money from live performances. Movie studios may see a market correction in actors salaries etc... when they start to realize that hundreds of millions is not what it takes to make a movie. Others like George Lucas will still survive and make hundred million dollar movies because they do not answer to a middle man and are good businessmen. |
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Peilos ghost
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complete garbage? Ha where u been, thats why we have vcdquality  |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
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said by karlmarx :but the real people of the world, GAIN from infringement You mean like the writers and performers of the copyrighted works? A world where content isn't paid for, will lead to a world where very few are motivated to produce and distribute content. Great for short term people that are too cheap, but long term, we're all going to suffer. It'll impact much more than the corporations that you despise so much. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to nasadude
Surely you aren't implying that tracker owners don't benefit from distribution of copyrighted works...even if the works aren't directly stored on, or transmitted through, their servers. How is TPB doing so well if there's no benefit? |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
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Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating
Infringement is here to stay. You can't put the genie back in to bottle. Learn to live with it.
It's not theft, there is nothing LOST when someone makes a copy. There is only GAIN. (Granted, the GAIN isn't profit for the megacorps, but the real people of the world, GAIN from infringement, that's why it's so popular)
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