Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19883183 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:03:22 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:03:22 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19890375 Warez_Zealot :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by Warez_Zealot See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

I think that "PIRATE Bay" being the biggest torrent tracker says a lot about the bogus claims that bittorrent use isn't primarily used for pirating(coyright infringement) music and videos.
Maybe if they offered content at the price of 10 cents a song or movies at like $2 - $3 dollars people would pirate less. If they can move more quantity and charge less instead of charging more and selling less they would still make a lot.

Anyways, guaranteed half they stuff downloaded is deleted right away after they realize the content is complete garbage.
How about for free:
»ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gUiU···8UE4GC82
Qtrax, which makes its debut Sunday, is the latest online music venture counting on the lure of free music to draw in music fans and on advertising to pay the bills, namely record company licensing fees.

Qtrax downloads can be stored indefinitely on PCs and transferred onto portable music players, however.

The service, which boasts a selection of up to 30 million tracks, also promises that its music downloads will be playable on Apple Inc.'s iPods and Macintosh computers as early as March.
Copy to music players OK, but can't copy to CDs.
»technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol···4556.ece

Guess it's vapourware. Back to BT. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19890375 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:01:35 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19889804 grandpinaple : Movies will always make money. I used the George Lucas example to illustrate situations where a large capital investment is required. Movies like Star Wars would merely sell for more and if they didn't sell enough, well then I guess the product shouldn't be on the market. Episode two made plenty of money though and this is in the bitorrent hay day. It's not like anyone who is going to use bitorrent isn't already using it (because the probability of getting caught is so low) and the companies don't make money off of the lawsuits and make relatively little off of the settlements in the case of their blackmail tactics.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19889804 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:38:40 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19888286 swhx7 : "And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating"?? Seriously? Can you cite examples where anyone makes that claim?

I think a lot of people have pointed out that there is a significant amount of non-infringing content on bittorrent - not that it's a majority.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19888286 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:41:20 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19887638 openbox9 : Obviously the writers and producers are getting more than zilch, or else they wouldn't be writing and producing. The writer's strike is about obtaining a cut of the revenue stream from the studios providing online content. It's a relatively new revenue stream. The writers were already getting their cut for traditional broadcasts and distribution mechanisms.

I welcome a day that consumers deal directly with artists (which can work for content such as music and books), but I don't see it happening for larger productions that truly cost money to produce...like high quality movies. How will George Lucas continue to make his millions if piracy runs rampant in illegally distributing his movies? What's his motivation to continue making movies?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19887638 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:13:48 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19886787 WALL_E :
said by quatrix See Profile :

Yeah, and maybe if the government gave more handouts then criminals wouldn't rob liquor stores. Must be the government's fault.
Regardless of your stance regarding the legality of file sharing, the industry needs to stop thinking of P2P and BitTorrent as the enemies and start thinking about them as competition. They have to settle for the fact that they'll never be able to stop P2P - they'll have to compete.

I'll gladly pay a reasonable fee to download DRM-free content to my computer rather than muck around in BitTorrent or Usenet. I want to support artists. The industry just needs to be more reasonable regarding their pricing and use of DRM.
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said by kamm See Profile :

Utter BS - US is one of the lowest taxing countries in the Western world.

It's nothing but a stupid, primitive attempt to fool people to think BUsh is actually doing something - it's a preposterous idea and has nothing to do with any kind of economic 'jumpstart'.
Go back and read my first post. I never said anything about Bush doing anything. 600 bucks won't make me or break me. It will buy some beer and sushi. What I DID say is Plasticosi wanted the refunds to go to those who did not pay into the system. She is among those trying to buy votes for herself and her party.

But the fact still remains, any and all money coming back to we the people is simple overtaxation. We are owed more. Far more.
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When the service works with WMP, Call me!
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lol, aren't people getting $600 each from your Fed gov?
Yep, but that's because we're overtaxed. They are giving us back some of OUR money that they stole from us. Without interest, I might add. All tax cuts and refunds are an ackowledgement that the gubmint has taken too much of what WE earned.
Utter BS - US is one of the lowest taxing countries in the Western world.

It's nothing but a stupid, primitive attempt to fool people to think BUsh is actually doing something - it's a preposterous idea and has nothing to do with any kind of economic 'jumpstart'.
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said by Warez_Zealot See Profile :

said by quatrix See Profile :

Yeah, and maybe if the government gave more handouts then criminals wouldn't rob liquor stores. Must be the government's fault.
lol, aren't people getting $600 each from your Fed gov?
Look, those Fed checks are usually only for the rich ones who does not need it - a.k.a. tax breaks - and this time these checks got a lot smaller and go for almost everybody...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19885835 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:39:08 EDT Qtrax site up and running; but check warnings at end of msg http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19885336 TKJunkMail :
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said by stltech See Profile :

shame that Qtrax is down right now!
They claim back up in 24 hours.
Please check back in 24 hours to download the first, free, and legal P2P music application.
I guess when it hit the newswires their servers offering up the new software downloads got buried.
Looks like they got the site up and running again:
»www.qtrax.com/

They have a message that their software download will be available at Midnight EST.

Of course, legal though it may be, it is P2P based, and depending on how they implemented it, it may be throttled by Comcast or other ISPs if their software tends to flood upstream bandwidth.

They say their software is developed off a Gnutella based platform: »www.qtrax.com/legal.php
QTRAX/QTRAXMAX is a free, Gnutella-based file sharing software allowing users around the world to make peer-to-peer connections with each other.
But be careful what you share:
We have no control over the information and data being disseminated or contained on any Gnutella network. You are ultimately responsible for the material you choose to upload, download and share with others. You will be personally liable for downloading and/or sharing infringing materials or copyrighted works.

We are, however, conscious of the legal issues involving sharing of certain types of files and ultimately these issues will be decided by the Courts or an Act of Parliament/Congress.

In the mean time, however, we expect all users of QTRAX/QTRAXMAX to comply with applicable laws, to respect the moral and legal rights of copyright authors and owners, and to use the Gnutella network in a responsible and law abiding way. While ideas are not fully protectable (only the expression of ideas), users who do share their own ideas with others expect others not to steal their protected works. THEREFORE, DO NOT STEAL FILE TYPES WHICH YOU DO NOT HAVE A LAWFUL RIGHT TO OWN OR USE.
So, it looks like their software could be used to trade music and other files NOT on their list of licensed music. Getting you in trouble with the RIAA or others who may come sniffing around thru your shared folders.

They may not have all their LEGALITIES lined up as they said:
»mashable.com/2008/01/27/warner-m···h-qtrax/
»www.alleyinsider.com/2008/01/war···wmg.html
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Too bad everyone hates it so much, or you could have whatever file that is already.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19885049 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:22:09 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19885027 BabyBear :
said by bigunk See Profile :

Nancy Plasticosi pandering for votes from the illegal aliens.
:o Huh?

Think you forgot your /sarcasm. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19885027 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:19:01 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19884920 cornelius785 : i like the idea of making music and movies more reasonably priced, but how are the singers and actors (or should i say brats high on themselves) going to feel when they realize they can't afford a third ferrari, third multi-million dollar house, or that their acting/singing is crap and isn't worth ~$20/cd or +$8/movie_ticket? you know they have feelings too. ;)

such life and there is not much you can you about it for the most part. with the riaa/mpaa/actors/singers holding pretty much all the money and power, they can buy off government with ease and higher a fleer of lobbyists if they so choose.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19884920 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:59:10 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19884464 grandpinaple : The writers and producers already get zilch. Didn't you hear about the writers strike. These useless incompetent fat cats are the looters of the world. They work by means of collusion. They have never produced anything of value themselves. They squabble with the producers over pennies. Your argument is moot. Greed is wonderful, but those that try to profit on the backs of others (without exchanging equal value for that labor) are the worst kind of scum.

Myspace and bitorrent will soon see the day that the artists are free to profit and exercise their greed on a fair and level playing field, with those consumers who are willing to trade their hard earned dollars for something they see as of equal value. Right now artists make most of their money from live performances. Movie studios may see a market correction in actors salaries etc... when they start to realize that hundreds of millions is not what it takes to make a movie. Others like George Lucas will still survive and make hundred million dollar movies because they do not answer to a middle man and are good businessmen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19884464 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:33:17 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883659 anon : complete garbage? Ha where u been, thats why we have vcdquality :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883659 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:17:45 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19884187 openbox9 :
said by karlmarx See Profile :

but the real people of the world, GAIN from infringement
You mean like the writers and performers of the copyrighted works? A world where content isn't paid for, will lead to a world where very few are motivated to produce and distribute content. Great for short term people that are too cheap, but long term, we're all going to suffer. It'll impact much more than the corporations that you despise so much.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19884187 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:35:11 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19884160 openbox9 : Surely you aren't implying that tracker owners don't benefit from distribution of copyrighted works...even if the works aren't directly stored on, or transmitted through, their servers. How is TPB doing so well if there's no benefit?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19884160 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:31:31 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883924 karlmarx : Infringement is here to stay. You can't put the genie back in to bottle. Learn to live with it.
It's not theft, there is nothing LOST when someone makes a copy. There is only GAIN. (Granted, the GAIN isn't profit for the megacorps, but the real people of the world, GAIN from infringement, that's why it's so popular)
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

And fences(aka pawn shops) claim they aren't responsible for reselling stolen goods. But they go to prison nonetheless when they get caught.
that's because they benefit from and have possession of said goods.

piratebay just provides a pointer to something. holding piratebay responsible for someone else infringing is like arresting the innocent pedestrian for bank robbery because he gave directions to the bank.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883913 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:43:52 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883881 Camelot One :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

I think that "PIRATE Bay" being the biggest torrent tracker says a lot about the bogus claims that bittorrent use isn't primarily used for pirating(coyright infringement) music and videos.
Your logic is completely flawed. Right now the biggest gang in Austin is Mexican. But that doesn't mean all mexicans are gang members.

Pirate Bay may be the biggest tracker, but even if you allow for every single torrent they have being pirated material (and some of it is not), that still just makes them just the biggest pirate site. It says nothing about BitTorrent as a protocol being "primarily used for pirating"
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said by lordofwhee See Profile :

They say right on the site they they don't take responsibility for what is tracked there.
And fences(aka pawn shops) claim they aren't responsible for reselling stolen goods. But they go to prison nonetheless when they get caught.
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said by jgkolt See Profile :

actually i have downloaded a lot of free music and software off of that site. Now when you first hear that the slant you will put on is it is copyright infringement but they do have a lot of music on there that is free and open to the public without copyright infringing content. Just because its free and on pirate bay doe snot mean it is stolen.
But having 1 million copy protected songs and 100,000 non-copyright protected ones doesn't make them legit.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

I think that "PIRATE Bay" being the biggest torrent tracker says a lot about the bogus claims that bittorrent use isn't primarily used for pirating(coyright infringement) music and videos.
I fail to see how that says anything at all about the level of infringing content.

Exxon made another huge quarterly profit - that must mean they cheat their customers and steal from their suppliers.

without looking at what is seeded and determining what is OK and what is infringing, nobody knows what level of infringing content is being moved around.

unless you can site a reputable source (MPAA and RIAA are not reputable sources) that has done this, you're just blowing smoke. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883411 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:03:04 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883399 jgkolt : actually i have downloaded a lot of free music and software off of that site. Now when you first hear that the slant you will put on is it is copyright infringement but they do have a lot of music on there that is free and open to the public without copyright infringing content. Just because its free and on pirate bay doe snot mean it is stolen.
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lol, aren't people getting $600 each from your Fed gov?
Yep, but that's because we're overtaxed. They are giving us back some of OUR money that they stole from us. Without interest, I might add. All tax cuts and refunds are an ackowledgement that the gubmint has taken too much of what WE earned.
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said by quatrix See Profile :

Yeah, and maybe if the government gave more handouts then criminals wouldn't rob liquor stores. Must be the government's fault.
And if car companies charges $10.00 for cars, people probably wouldn't steal them!

I think you're on to something here! :D

Gotta love how people justify stealing.
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said by stltech See Profile :

shame that Qtrax is down right now!
They claim back up in 24 hours.
Please check back in 24 hours to download the first, free, and legal P2P music application.
I guess when it hit the newswires their servers offering up the new software downloads got buried.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

How about for free:
»ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gUiU···8UE4GC82
Qtrax, which makes its debut Sunday, . . .
»www.qtrax.com
quote:
Due to overwhelming demand, Qtrax.com is currently unavailable.

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said by Warez_Zealot See Profile :

lol, aren't people getting $600 each from your Fed gov?
No, we're all being forced to borrow $600 from the Feds that the top 25% of wage earners have to pay back, with interest, the following year.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883277 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:36:08 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883275 TKJunkMail :
said by Warez_Zealot See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

I think that "PIRATE Bay" being the biggest torrent tracker says a lot about the bogus claims that bittorrent use isn't primarily used for pirating(coyright infringement) music and videos.
Maybe if they offered content at the price of 10 cents a song or movies at like $2 - $3 dollars people would pirate less. If they can move more quantity and charge less instead of charging more and selling less they would still make a lot.

Anyways, guaranteed half they stuff downloaded is deleted right away after they realize the content is complete garbage.
How about for free:
»ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gUiU···8UE4GC82
Qtrax, which makes its debut Sunday, is the latest online music venture counting on the lure of free music to draw in music fans and on advertising to pay the bills, namely record company licensing fees.

Qtrax downloads can be stored indefinitely on PCs and transferred onto portable music players, however.

The service, which boasts a selection of up to 30 million tracks, also promises that its music downloads will be playable on Apple Inc.'s iPods and Macintosh computers as early as March.
Copy to music players OK, but can't copy to CDs.
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said by quatrix See Profile :

Yeah, and maybe if the government gave more handouts then criminals wouldn't rob liquor stores. Must be the government's fault.
lol, aren't people getting $600 each from your Fed gov? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883228 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:24:35 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883183 quatrix : Yeah, and maybe if the government gave more handouts then criminals wouldn't rob liquor stores. Must be the government's fault.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883183 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:15:54 EDT Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883175 Warez_Zealot :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

I think that "PIRATE Bay" being the biggest torrent tracker says a lot about the bogus claims that bittorrent use isn't primarily used for pirating(coyright infringement) music and videos.
Maybe if they offered content at the price of 10 cents a song or movies at like $2 - $3 dollars people would pirate less. If they can move more quantity and charge less instead of charging more and selling less they would still make a lot.

Anyways, guaranteed half they stuff downloaded is deleted right away after they realize the content is complete garbage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883175 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:13:22 EDT And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883132 TKJunkMail : I think that "PIRATE Bay" being the biggest torrent tracker says a lot about the bogus claims that bittorrent use isn't primarily used for pirating(coyright infringement) music and videos.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19883132 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:03:41 EDT