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<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:58:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[ilsr_chris posted : We haven't found a project that didn't involve spending more and more taxpayer money by the local gov?  Guess you haven't been stalking me.<br><br>My first ILSR report detailed one such build: Burlington, Vermont.  It is listed on our site at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.newrules.org/info/bt.html" >www.newrules.org/info/bt.html</A><br><br>In fact, as I study these things, I have found that few of these builds never touch taxpayer money.  They are built with revenue bonds or lease arrangements.  Some have needed taxpayer money and yet I have yet to find a community that really wants to go back to an incumbent de facto monopoly.  <br><br>They like having tech support from their town that answers they questions.  They like faster speeds at lower prices. They like having a comparative advantage to all the places that rely on incumbents for their shared cable systems.<br><br>This whole "taxpayer money" argument is an absurd red herring as so few systems ever need it.  And those that do need it are still saving consumers and businesses a lot of money by introducing stiff competition and offering faster connections.<br><br>Further, we still have an amazing number of people who cannot get any form of broadband.  To suggest they should merely wait until some private company deigns to serve them is crazy.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:41:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[batageek posted : seems to me that most of the failing munifi projects are those that aren't muni at all - the earthlinks, at&t's, metrofi's etc.<br><br>These aren't muni builds - these are private sector builds in a municipality.<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.tricitybroadband.com" >www.tricitybroadband.com</A></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:22:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[gaforces posted : Most local governments don't have the expertise or ability to run a Muni-Fi network system. They are tied in red tape and a city/govt work mentality.<br>The Bureaucracy would muck it up very well, they are good at wasting taxpayer money. Thats what they do.<br><br>Muni-Fi network systems need to be run by network professionals who can make it pay for itself and it's investors. Not some city slickers getting a city pension and full benefits on the taxpayers dime.<br><br>Some time after Windows 98 came out I was at a city office talking to one of their workers and she was having trouble booting the network. They were using 5.25 floppy's to boot the Netware network into DOS :) I had to remind her to put the floppy in the machine ... Monochrome monitors!<br><small>--<br>&#145;Do ye, quieting in your bosoms your strong hearts,<br>Who of many good things have had your fill even to surfeit,<br>With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will<br>We yield, nor shall you have all else as you wish.&#146;<br>Solon</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:09:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[ThrowDemsOut posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/787085" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=787085');">firephoto</a>:</small><br><br>Nice buzzwords. Amazing how a government entity would throw the taxpayer money at a problem all the time. It's almost like all their money is taxpayer money... oh that's right, it is for the most part.<b> I really hope you limit your daily flushes so you can save some taxpayer money.</b> <br> </div>No flushes until something SOLID to flush.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb">Internet News</a><br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h">My BLOG</a><br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto">My Web Page</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:42:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[nasadude posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br>... the environmental fringe group...<br> </div>indeed. everyone knows broadband nirvana comes from letting the incumbents make all the decisions.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:12:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[firephoto posted : Nice buzzwords. Amazing how a government entity would throw the taxpayer money at a problem all the time. It's almost like all their money is taxpayer money... oh that's right, it is for the most part. I really hope you limit your daily flushes so you can save some taxpayer money.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:11:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[ThrowDemsOut posted : From the people at ILSR( &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ilsr.org/" >www.ilsr.org/</A> ), the environmental fringe group, we get a plan that is determined to throw good money after bad. After cities have failed, for the most part, to rollout muni-fi projects, the solution ILSR comes up with is to tie that in to a muni-fiber project as well. Hey, if at first you don't succeed, try and try again. Unfortunately, ILSR hasn't found a project yet that didn't involve spending more and more taxpayer money by local government.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb">Internet News</a><br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h">My BLOG</a><br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto">My Web Page</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:38:30 EDT</pubDate>
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