| All USF funds should die .... ... but as long as they live, then all providers of telephone service should pay. There shouldn't be different fees for different types of phone service.
Both Federal and state USF funds should be ended. If the states feel that taxpayer money is needed to wire rural areas, let them fund that thru the normal tax methods states use to fund their operations. |
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We need and must get more and more fees and taxes.
Only way to get people fed up to the point of revolution. |
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 PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | And when was the last time the people of this country revolted against ANYTHING?
You have a good idea, king, but it will never happen. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:... but as long as they live, then all providers of telephone service should pay. There shouldn't be different fees for different types of phone service. And how about non-phone services?
This is a good one... I work with a covad partner and they buy "layer 2" circuits from covad, meaning that we get an OC-3 to covad and our DSL and T1 customers' traffic is backhauled to us and we provide the internet service. We pay the 10.2% FUSF on every one of these non-phone circuits. On higher-priced circuits like T1 and SDSL, that's a really big chunk of change.
Now if we just resell a line where covad provides the backhaul, no FUSF because it's "internet service".
Total crock-o-shit. |
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About 200 years ago.
I think we're due for another revolution. |
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 MrMoodyFree range slavePremium
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | reply to PolarBear03
said by PolarBear03:And when was the last time the people of this country revolted against ANYTHING? 1861, when some of the states revolted against federal control. And we all know how much good it did them.
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | reply to lordofwhee
Who would revolt against King George? |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:Both Federal and state USF funds should be ended. If the states feel that taxpayer money is needed to wire rural areas, let them fund that thru the normal tax methods states use to fund their operations. Or have the rate payers in those areas pay slightly more to offset the costs of living in the boonies.
The USF does need to stay for one reason and only one reason - the eRate program for schools and libraries. Yes, it has some problems, but nothing an updated set of rules based on past experience can't fix (our company does eRate work and has seen it). |
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1861, when some of the states revolted against federal control. And we all know how much good it did them. Think that was bad, imagine what would happen now if the populace revolted and the military responded. Even if it was justified, it would not be pretty for average people against Humvees, tanks and aircraft. |
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MrMoodyFree range slavePremium
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Smithfield, NC | Yep. The closest we've come since the internal combustion engine was the immensely unpopular Viet Nam War, and police alone were enough to keep that from getting too out of hand.
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join:2002-01-22
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since you have experience with it, what are the actual "rates" charged by telco for eRate??
also, are USF funds restricted to telco services or can it be used by cableco to provide internet, etc?
it's difficult to imagine how $1.50 on every phone line is justified for the amounts charged for schools and libraries. think about it. schools on average need a few t-1 lines or eqivalent. |
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said by PolarBear03:And when was the last time the people of this country revolted against ANYTHING? You have a good idea, king, but it will never happen. It will happen and in your lifetime too. This situation is a whole lot more dire because 220 some odd years ago people could just move west and build another log cabin. This time there is absolutely no where for them to live. Given a sufficient number of Americans that used to have a roof over their head start having to huddle under highway overpasses you watch how quickly they will form an alliance against this corrupt government that goes against everything this country was built upon. |
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 bear73Metnav... Fly The Unfriendly SkiesPremium
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Grand Forks Afb, ND | reply to fAcEtIOUs
said by fAcEtIOUs:... but as long as they live, then all providers of telephone service should pay. There shouldn't be different fees for different types of phone service. No, USF is stated for deploying POTS to rural areas. it is time for this fee to end. Kinda like the fee that was killed off a few years back that paid for the Spanish-American War...
USF time is done. If the gov't wants to tax the populace for deploying broadband to rural areas, then propose the bill and vote it into law. Time for No More Fees....
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said by morbo:since you have experience with it, what are the actual "rates" charged by telco for eRate?? also, are USF funds restricted to telco services or can it be used by cableco to provide internet, etc? Our organization handles the eRate purchases of equipment (servers, switches, routers, etc) and the installation, maintenance, etc. of that equipment. The problems we have seen have been in relation to those types of activities.
it's difficult to imagine how $1.50 on every phone line is justified for the amounts charged for schools and libraries. think about it. schools on average need a few t-1 lines or eqivalent. Only a portion of that $1.50 goes to the eRate program. I don't have the exact number on hand, but that $1.50 gets broken down to different programs:
»www.fcc.gov/wcb/tapd/universal_service/
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_···_offered |
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PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | reply to kingofdsl
Can anyone help me decipher how he went from fees and taxes to a homeless epidemic? I am truly stumped here.
"If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college."
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| said by PolarBear03:Can anyone help me decipher how he went from fees and taxes to a homeless epidemic? I am truly stumped here. "If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college." Crap, now I think my brain is going to eat itself. It is just an overwrought anti-Bush reaction and the idea that the mortgage crisis is going to turn in to a 1930's "Grapes of Wrath" apocalypse. The welfare state that the US has become since before the New Deal will prevent what he fears.
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said by bear73:No, USF is stated for deploying POTS to rural areas. That's only a portion of what the USF does. USF funds go to several programs, including providing internet to schools/libraries and providing communications services to rural heath care providers. |
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How about?
War on Terrorism Surcharge* - $.99
*The fee was imposed by Congress for a 10 year period starting June, 2008. (John Kerry & Ted Kennedy actually passed this crap with 60 votes so I couldn't veto it - Pres. George W. Bush.)
Or Hillary's version:
POTS
War on Terrorism Surcharge - $.99
(Extra Lines are $2.99)
Cellphones
War on Terrorism Surcharge - $1.99
How about some other fees we can generate?
UHC Surcharge - $6.99
Fed Campaign Fund - $.99
UWF - $.99
CIF - $.99
What are they?
Universal Health Care
Undocumented Worker Fund
Clinton Intern Fund
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to factchecker
Well you have machine guns, carpet bombing, city evacaution, since tomorrow it will be carpet bombed into being as flat as a Salt Flat. The only revolution that will happen is if the Military, or a part of it, with state cooperation, splits off, or a general outright military coup. Guess who has and doesn't have the guns? Its pretty simple then. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to kingofdsl
said by kingofdsl:It will happen and in your lifetime too. This situation is a whole lot more dire because 220 some odd years ago people could just move west and build another log cabin. This time there is absolutely no where for them to live. Given a sufficient number of Americans that used to have a roof over their head start having to huddle under highway overpasses you watch how quickly they will form an alliance against this corrupt government that goes against everything this country was built upon. Watch how quickly they get sent to prison, and if that doesn't work, Florence ADX. Well, to make new land, you need to colonize, guess what we are doing in Iraq. |
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