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ninjatutle
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Is it ok to fill up a car while engine is running?

I seen an old man do it at a gas station.



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said by ninjatutle:

I seen an old man do it at a gas station.
Why you Peeping young whippersnapper


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Re: Is it ok to fill up a car while engine is running?

I do it all the time... Never had a problem...
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Not supposed to be done per the Rules posted at the pump, but if I had a battery going dead and needed to get to the store to get a new one, certainly I would keep it running vs risking it not starting.



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»au.answers.yahoo.com/answers2/fr···6AA3CJqm

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Why do you have to turn off your car while pumping gas?

The warnings at the gas stations always tell you to turn off your engine. But why? What ghastly thing will happen to you if you don't? Will it start a fire or something?

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It could start a fire if the fumes from the gas being pumped get close enough to a source of ignition, though that is not really a concern today with the new vapor recovery nozzles that almost every gas station uses these days. Some of the other risky things that leaving your vehicle running while you are pumping your fuel are if the shifter is not completely in park it could move and your vehicle could move on it's own running you over or hitting the car behind or in front of you,if a child or a pet is in the vehicle they could hit the shifter by accident and the same problems as described above could happen. Another thing to be concerned about is static electricity between your body and the fuel pump that is why the tell you to touch a metal object like your cars body to discharge any static electricity before you pick up the fuel nozzle because if a spark from static electricity finds any fuel on or in the nozzle a fire will start on you faster than you can react,and THAT WILL DEFINITELY RUIN YOUR DAY QUICKLY
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Re: Is it ok to fill up a car while engine is running?

A bad idea to leave the engine running, what makes the engine tick besides petrol? Sparks, perhaps. There have been documented cases of explosions due to static electricity, I'm sure not going to push the envelope and trust that either an electrical component is not covered properly or that perhaps some paper might hit a live exhaust system and.....

Seems like a stupid thing to do.

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Well I guess if one old man is doing it, it has to be safe.

(did this guy look like the drummer of Aerosmith, Joey Kramer?)

It's actually against the law... and I'm sure for a good reason. Fires from running engines and filling up with gasoline are rare, but they do happen.



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Is it okay ? Usually it is fine, but too many bad things can happen to risk it.

Like getting back in your vehicle while pumping.

Or running across the highway: 999 times out a 1000 you get across safe, BUT ..... that ONE time.
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Besides the previous posts about the dangers of vehicle shifting out of park and catching on fire there is one other reason not to keep the motor running while fueling.

Newer cars have a sensor monitoring the fuel system for leaks to a closed system. If the engine is running and you're fueling the vehicle you are opening that closed system causing a "check engine" light to come on.



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»www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9dBJaK4peQ


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I had a feeling that video was going to turn up.

Please note, the main point of that video is that static electricity is dangerous.



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Yes, that is why I posted it as too many people (it seems females are in the majority) leave the pump when filling up and are supposed to maintain control of the handle instead. There is no reason to go sit down while the car is filling up and if that is what someone wants, they need to just stay in the car and get a full service station to fill their car instead.
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"Full Service"??? I haven't seen one of these in years. (Except in Canada.)

I sometimes leave my Diesel idling while I fill up. But it's not near as volatile, so I don't consider it unsafe.



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said by Cho Baka See Profile :

Please note, the main point of that video is that static electricity is dangerous.
It's worth noting the fuel fill hoses on gasoline pumps have a static drain line within them as such as long as the nozzle is in contact with the metal of the of the vehicles fuel filler there will be no static buildup.

What happened in the video is the lady sat in the front seat of the car and upon leaving the vehicle slid off the seat and in the process generated a static charge upon her self then when she touched the fuel filler the charge dissipated back into the vehicle which had already been discharged through the static line in the pumps hose producing a spark which ignited the vapors collecting near the vehicles fuel filler.

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said by ninjatutle:

I seen an old man do it at a gas station.
My co-worker who is 65 and he did it with his old Caddie as he insisted he can add a gallon more fuel if he kept his car running. He got me nervous the few times when I was a passenger of his. He has a newer DTS now and I don't know if he still keep his old habit.


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It looked like she was smoking too. That scares me when the gas attendants here in NJ smoke while filling up cars.



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I had a '68 Vette with the gas filler in the center of the rear deck. A hole straight into the gas tank. I yelled quite loudly at a dude one time that was smoking with the cig just aft of the hole. If he had dropped it, there was a chance the whole place would have gone up.



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said by McSummation:

"Full Service"??? I haven't seen one of these in years. (Except in Canada.)

I sometimes leave my Diesel idling while I fill up. But it's not near as volatile, so I don't consider it unsafe.
That still leaves room for other problems, as a passenger could knock the gear selector into reverse or drive while you are outside filling up causing injuries to almost anyone around including yourself. Also your running vehicle is far more attractive to a prospective hijacker since it takes a lot less time to hop in and get moving with a running vehicle (while you chase it from behind) compared to not having it running. Plus the prospective hijacker will likely look for an easier target based on not knowing if the keys are in the ignition or on your person requiring a possible physical attack/physical confrontation of them with you when taking said keys from you at the pump does make you a much less attractive target over being able to hop in a running vehicle leaving you at the pump in shock/disbelief. Generally speaking it is best to turn off all vehicles for multiple reasons when refueling.

Yes, my find a "Full Service" station statement was not entirely serious since they are rare now, but if you really cannot stand by the pump while filling up, instead make sure to bring a passenger that will not mind getting out and filling up for you while you stay seated in the vehicle would be the realistic plan to institute over getting out starting the pump, getting back in the car and then returning to the pump with a possible static charge on your body that is waiting to discharge when you return to the pump and fuel filler area.
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When I'm doing it, I'm standing by the fuel nozzle (or washing the windshield) and my 30' fifth-wheel is hanging on the back. When I do this, I'm normally letting the pickup cool down after just bailing off some hard driving road. The doors may be locked, also, as I've got another key on my "trailer key ring". Not exactly inviting "theft by twerp kid".



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I fully understand. In fact I have the Door Key on a separating ring myself so my vehicle can be warmed up and remain locked.

Then again, neither one of us are the "average" person.
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I do it all the time... it all boils down to common sense.

If you are worried about your hot exhaust igniting the vapors then remember that it doesnt cool the instant you turn the car off...

I have driven a stick for so long that no matter what vehicle i'm in the parking brake always gets firmly set wherever I am parked. Just a habit now.
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said by burner50:

I do it all the time... it all boils down to common sense.
Isn't that the bottom line to all things? Yes, indeed. Too many people on this planet and not enough common sense to go around so there is a very large group running around with none at all.

Here are a few... LOL

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RMLt28n0-M


»www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNIUfFqujS0


»www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK6mughvEfY


»www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzylC42Fqe0

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That last one is HILARIOUS... especially where they get out to look at the bumper...not even a glance at the gate that was destroyed (by either one!) then back in the MB to just drive off...LOL I hope she got so busted for that.
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I may be off, but didn't the Myth busters do a show dealing w/ movie myths and found that a thrown cigarette isn't hot enough to set a puddle of gas on fire? Not sure how liquid fuel compares to fumes as far as combustabilit temps.
it's the fumes that blow up and not the liquid.



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said by seeder_jed :

I may be off, but didn't the Myth busters do a show dealing w/ movie myths and found that a thrown cigarette isn't hot enough to set a puddle of gas on fire? Not sure how liquid fuel compares to fumes as far as combustabilit temps.
it's the fumes that blow up and not the liquid.
Vapors ignite, the liquid is a little harder to start, but not much.

»kwc.org/mythbusters/2005/07/myth···ial.html
quote:
Special: Hollywood on Trial

Sparks off bullets (showed how Hollywood does it, given that bullets don't spark)

Breaking down a door with your shoulder: plausible

Wizard of Oz tinman

Tuning radio with your teeth: busted

Getting thrown through a plate glass window without injury: busted

Ingiting a pool of gas with a cigarette: plausible

+++++++++++++++++++

Can a cigarette ignite a pool of gas? They measured a cigarette at 450-500 degrees, dropped it into the gas, nothing. Tried multiple times to light a pool of gas on the ground, but they couldn't do it. Still, plausible because the cigarette is hot enough.

cigarettes-gasoline-explosion/
»meggardiner.wordpress.com/2007/0···plosion/

Then you get the story tellers.....

»www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.ht···age_id=2

And the Parody......

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekt3qj2VvBw

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And when your pumping gas a _lot_ of vapors are released! They have also invested pumps that pull the vapors back in rather then releasing them into the air. So while it's difficult to light gasoline on fire with a cigarette, it's _very_ easy to light the vapors on fire which in turn light the gas which in turn creates a nice fire at a gas station.

Do we _really_ need to leave the vehicle running (_which is against the law!) or can't hold off on smoking while pumping gas?

I've not yet read a _good_reason why people can't turn off their engines while refueling. If it were just that one person, I'd say show that Darwinism still works. Unfortunately others will probably be involved.



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I think the third one was best, I did my usually screaming at the Monitor telling her when to turn, if she had listened to me she would have been in on the first try.

When I worked Downtown, I liked sitting in my window and watch all these people "try" to parallel park.
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Here is my take on this issue.

1. As another person posted with the closed fuel systems you could end up with a check engine light on.

2. Since it is posted on the pump to turn off engine if (this is a big if) something was to happen you could be held liable.

3. I am a tight wad and with gas prices like they are I look for all the savings I can.

4. I locked my keys in my truck one day while getting gas so now its keys in my pocket while pumping.