Wireing a home for cable in Cable users http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19893271 en Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:35:47 EDT Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:35:47 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173234 egnlsn :
said by Jabbu See Profile :

That amp only does upto 8db... Kinda weak.

It's just a 15dB gain drop amp with a 4-way splitter in the same housing. That's standard.
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CIAO!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173234 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:18:20 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20127255 anon : agreed.. if you want to have 2 extra unused outlets in ea room that run them all to the distubution panel for each apartment. may houses we go in have a nice box with 10 cables in it. 1 to each otlet, thats what you want. then you can use / not use whatever you want and should never have to take off wallplates for anything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20127255 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:28:18 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20121872 MadMANN :
said by Test Clees :

So I would be having a coax 3 way splitter in each room except the main living room witch would have a 4 way coax splitter
That statement worries me. What you describe is essentially a loop system, and it is not optimal with today's cable technology. Wherever the main feed for each apartment is located within the unit is the best place to run each cable outlet individually. There should be one active feed from the main distribution box to a location in the apartment: whether it is in some sort of panel in the wall or in a hollow spot behind one of the wallplates. From there, you should run one cable to each location where you want cable.

The way you describe it, you are essentially going to put a splitter in each room with multiple outlets, which will result in limited service capabilities, possibly multiple trouble calls, and lots of time spent on each install every time a tenant moves out and new one moves in. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20121872 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:03:21 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20121396 brianl703 :
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I know you shouldn't run unshielded cat5 real close along power because of inductive interference


I've seen AC voltage (in the 10-16 volt range) run in the same cable as telephone lines in "quad" non-twisted pair cable and there was no "hum" pickup by the telephone line. (In fact, this was typically done in the 60s and 70s to power the dial light on the "Princess" phone. They installed a transformer somewhere in the house and connected it to the black/yellow wires).

And before anyone says that the 60Hz is below the frequency response of the phone...bzzt (no pun intended), wrong.

The old Western Electric/ITT/Stromberg Carlson phones are sensitive enough that if you touch one of the wires in the cord and ground the other one, you'll hear a soft buzz in the earpiece just from what your body is inductively picking up! (Same reason that you get a loud buzz out of your computer speakers when you touch the input plug).

From this I can only conclude that Cat5e is not as sensitive to 60Hz pickup from power cables as one might otherwise think, as it's interference rejection is much better than "quad" cable.

As far as coax goes, all the coax cables in the houses where I live enter the house through the same hole the main electric service does. I think this is pretty common actually.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20121396 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:30:38 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19943900 egnlsn :
said by cypherstream See Profile :

I have a question to add... not to hijack or anything but it's along the lines of wiring a home for cable.

Can you run RG-6 lines along romex power within the same studs or channel? My friends brother in law is finishing his basement and asked me this the other day. I wasn't 100% sure, but I did ask what kind of cable it was. RG-6 is plastered on the jacket, not QS, but it's still RG-6 so I said OK.

I know you shouldn't run unshielded cat5 real close along power because of inductive interference, but coax is shielded so I figure it shouldn't really hurt it correct? If there's a building code thing regarding it, what's PA's wiring code?
All low voltage cables should be kept the same minimum distance from power. Sure, the coax is shielded, but any induced voltage from power can still travel along the shield until it finds a place to disburse, whether it be at a grounded point or through a loose fitting into the r.f. path.

The only thing that the NEC says along those lines is that low voltage and high voltage cables are not to be in the same conduit.
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CIAO!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19943900 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:23:12 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19938140 burner50 : coax is shielded... the only shielding the cat5 has is the twist...

It would be just fine to do that]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19938140 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:08:19 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19934898 cypherstream : I have a question to add... not to hijack or anything but it's along the lines of wiring a home for cable.

Can you run RG-6 lines along romex power within the same studs or channel? My friends brother in law is finishing his basement and asked me this the other day. I wasn't 100% sure, but I did ask what kind of cable it was. RG-6 is plastered on the jacket, not QS, but it's still RG-6 so I said OK.

I know you shouldn't run unshielded cat5 real close along power because of inductive interference, but coax is shielded so I figure it shouldn't really hurt it correct? If there's a building code thing regarding it, what's PA's wiring code?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19934898 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:02:12 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19912706 burner50 : Okay, As long as ever apartment has its own drop from the Cable company then Home run EVERY outlet to one point and terminate them. Then you can only activate whatever outlets your tenant wants. Now you dont have to have the distribution center or the amps (unless you have a low signal issue in one apartment)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19912706 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:19:11 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19909563 anon : I do understand you burner50, but I must not be explaining it properly, each unit has it's own drop from the cable company I'm not messing with that. I am merely fiddling with the wiring inside each independant unit. As for the gbit being over kill yes it is for now, I will not have to do this again for many years, and it's not that much more than standard cat5. My units will be rented out at a premium for this.
Thanks Friz you I'll probably hold off on that and let the cable company deal with that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19909563 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:36:09 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19906142 anon : It's good to see a landlord actually worry about the communication lines in his apts. Don't try to hook all the catv lines up at once, you're just wasting signal and/or money on an amp that probably won't be needed. The technician that comes out can hook up what lines the tenant will need and install an amp if needed.

Me personally, I hate those distribution boxes. The splitters in them are usually not that good, and if anything ever goes wrong in them, it's damn near impossible to fit or re-work something back into them.(i.e. replacing a fitting and getting the cable to reach back to the splitter without slack.) For what those boxes cost, your might be just as well off buying a piece of plywood, cut it to size, and taking some extra time to dress the lines up. In the future if anything goes wrong or you need to change something, you would have a lot more room to work with.

Just my opinion. Good Luck with that project. And just like madman said, run 2 RG-6 lines(per apt.) from where the cable co. will hit your building with their drop, to inside your apts where your homeruns will be.

P.S. And God Forbid they would ever go to D*, they would need 4 lines for that to your homeruns.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19906142 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:35:21 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19901087 burner50 :
said by Test Clees :

Each unit will have it's own drop. From the drop the cable will be sent to a distribution box or »www.gruber.com/GruberInd/pg.asp?···reID=101
The rentals are 2-3 bedrooms, each bedroom will have 3 rj45 ethernet outlets connected to a gbit switch which will be at the distribution box , since I'm rewiring for those I figured I'd also attach the CATV wiring at the same wall outlets as the rj45 2 birds with one stone, So I would be having a coax 3 way splitter in each room except the main living room witch would have a 4 way coax splitter
You're not understanding... each apt needs its own drop from the cable co thus bypassing the distro center. And home run all outlets from the apartment to one place instead of spreading splitters all over the place. doing it this way the tenant can pick and choose which outlets work and split accordingly.

And IMHO Gigabit ethernet is overkill in a home user environment. How fast of an internet conenction do you plan to provide them?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19901087 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:29:28 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19900487 anon : I assumed that since I would be splitting it so much that I'd need something to amplify it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19900487 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:15:00 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19900476 anon : Each unit will have it's own drop. From the drop the cable will be sent to a distribution box or »www.gruber.com/GruberInd/pg.asp?···reID=101
The rentals are 2-3 bedrooms, each bedroom will have 3 rj45 ethernet outlets connected to a gbit switch which will be at the distribution box , since I'm rewiring for those I figured I'd also attach the CATV wiring at the same wall outlets as the rj45 2 birds with one stone, So I would be having a coax 3 way splitter in each room except the main living room witch would have a 4 way coax splitter]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19900476 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:12:55 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19897495 MadMANN : If these rentals are separate apartments and you are looking to follow the law, each unit would need to order their own service and have separate accounts. The only legal way around that would be to buy a bulk cable account for that building.

That being said, regardless of whether you buy a bulk account or have your tenants pay for their own accounts, your building should be wired as separate apartments with their own wiring.

The easiest way to do it would be to run one feed from the building's cable demarc to a location in each apartment and then run homeruns from the wall locations to where the feed is located in the apartment. It also wouldn't hurt to run a spare in case something happens to the original.

I would also arrange for the cable company to provide each apartment with its own drop, whether aerial or in an MDU on your building.

The biggest concern about using one cable line to feed the whole building is not actually the forward signal strength because that can easily be boosted by a house amp. However, the upstream signal is a lot less forgiving as far as it being split and it is not as easy to rectify with a normal house amp. If one of your tenants would want digital services that problem could come back to haunt you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19897495 Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:24:06 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19897387 Jabbu : That amp only does upto 8db... Kinda weak.

How many rooms?

Did you mean a 3 or 4 way splitter in each room??? Or a 3-4 in the dist. box?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19897387 Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:05:33 EDT Re: Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19896666 burner50 : HI..

i'm not familiar with the multiplex 3212 distribution panel. DO you have a website with a description?

And do not use a radio shack amplifier, they are junk.

Really each rental should have its own drop for CATV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19896666 Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:10:48 EDT Wireing a home for cable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19893271 anon : I have yet to do it but I'm in the planning stages of installing a gbit network in my rentals, with each room wired via cat6, in the process I plan on bringing new rg6 lines to every room in the rentals I'm concerned about line loss or db loss with the cable in the home and was planning on running an rg6 line from outside to a 3212 Distribution panel and then spidering it out to the rest of the rooms. My question is if I have a Bi-directional 4 way amplifier( »www.radioshack.com/sm-1-to-4-bid···093.html ) in my distribution panel box, each out would be sent to the rooms where they would be split from either a 3 way or 4 way splitter would I have exessive signal loss or db loss or whatever you call it? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19893271 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:30:25 EDT