Re: Anyone surprised? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19906909 en Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:28:44 EDT Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:28:44 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19918172 JakCrow :
said by PGHammer See Profile :

However, Core has been a blockbuster for Intel. In fact, the Core microarchitecture is popping up in places you wouldn't have expected to find Intel *anything* even two years ago. I'm not just talking desktops, but HPC workstations and servers (lest anyone forget, every XEON is Core-based), laptops, notebooks, UMPCs, even Macs (from super-lightweight to ultra-heavyweight). Core hasn't just clobbered AMD; Core is also directly responsible for chasing National Semiconductor out of the general-purpose CPU business entirely. Core 2 has simply extended Intel's lead to the supremely silly; Intel is now basically competing with *itself*. Intel is at the point where they are getting ready to EOL a processor that is too powerful for general-purpose use that is priced for for such use (I'm referring to the Q6600, formerly known as Kentsfield; a server processor in desktop clothing at desktop-processor prices.)
I don't understand this. Why wouldn't Intel have used their current CPU tech in these devices? Both Intel and AMD have always done this, so it's a non-issue. And the first run of Core wasn't that great and didn't do dual core and couldn't even do decent dual CPU. Like I said, their roles are currently reversed. I think AMD will eventually come out with something that will leapfrog Intel. It's not like there isn't a history of this happening.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19918172 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:55:18 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917907 Transmaster : And H&P/Compaq]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917907 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:05:05 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19913468 tc1uscg :
said by old_dawg See Profile :

said by tc1uscg See Profile :

said by BillTager See Profile :

Sprint had plenty of its own ailments long before Nextel came along.
Yep.. it was it's WIRELESS division. The LTD and WIRELINE side was doing great before Wireline/Wireless became one. Then, the WHOLE company looked like crap and still does. :o
A big thanks of recognition from legacy Wireline!.
Company has been ruined by management that chases the next bright, shiny object without staying on track. It's called bleeding edge for a reason...as in capital, stock price, and personnel. :uhh:
Yes.. I think monthly drug tests should be imposed. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19913468 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:58:36 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19913296 PGHammer : However, Core has been a blockbuster for Intel. In fact, the Core microarchitecture is popping up in places you wouldn't have expected to find Intel *anything* even two years ago. I'm not just talking desktops, but HPC workstations and servers (lest anyone forget, every XEON is Core-based), laptops, notebooks, UMPCs, even Macs (from super-lightweight to ultra-heavyweight). Core hasn't just clobbered AMD; Core is also directly responsible for chasing National Semiconductor out of the general-purpose CPU business entirely. Core 2 has simply extended Intel's lead to the supremely silly; Intel is now basically competing with *itself*. Intel is at the point where they are getting ready to EOL a processor that is too powerful for general-purpose use that is priced for for such use (I'm referring to the Q6600, formerly known as Kentsfield; a server processor in desktop clothing at desktop-processor prices.)
Yes; AMD is in serious trouble, but it can't blame all its woes on the acquisition of ATI Technologies; besides, ATI had their own issues (competing with nVidia) that simply could not be wished away. nVidia hasn't exactly had a walk in the park; the short supply of 8800GT GPUs (and the issues with their own 6-series chipsets) didn't help their positioning as an Intel-chipset alternative.
Motorola? The one area where Motorola *may* be in trouble is their cell handset business (thanks to the encroachment of LG and Samsung at the low end, and Apple's iPhone at the high end); however, Motorola still occupies the solid midrange with the RAZR and RAZR2 lines and their derivatives. Moto may actually be the most likely of the four companies to survive either mostly or completely unchanged (also Moto still has the cash cow of their broadband business, especially cable modems and STBs, not to mention their mobile communications business, none of which will be going away anytime soon). Moto's ace-in-the-hole (as far as their cell-handset business)? Believe it or not, it's the CDMA handset business (specifically with VZW), where the RAZR and variants show no signs of slowing up.
Sprint is under fire (but not due to Motorola), primarily due to encroachment from VZW and (somewhat) AT&T Mobility. Sprint has to find a way to re-differentiate itself as a carrier (in a positive way); unless it does, it's screwed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19913296 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:41:59 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19912860 anon : Yes Dell does sell AMD but the majority of their "performance" systems and the sleek XPS systems are Intel and they mainly push Intel. I don't think I've seen a single Dell TV ad without the Intel inside logo. That said I'm on a Dell Inspiron 1501 which is powered by AMD.

On Dell's site, when you narrow down the laptops by processor 5 are Intel, 3 are AMD.

But it still comes down to how much the OEM pushes either processor and right now AMD plays second fiddle in the majority of Dell's lineup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19912860 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:17:03 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19908393 Quattrohead : dogma hits the nail on the head, America is robbing from tomorrow to pay for today, problem is the vault is now empty and everyone who stole from tomorrow is looking around and saying "oh $hit, now what do I feed my crack (spending) habit with"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19908393 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:21:26 EDT You called it. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907871 Noah Vail : ATI is an anchor around AMD's neck. What could have possibly been their plans?

Nobody wants CPU/GPU combo chips unless they're $2 ea due to their awful performance history. Have they even designed a controller to go with it or are they leaving that to someone else, like NVidia?

Another issue, NVidia used to be friendly to AMD. There always seemed to by some sort of symbiosis, in that so many custom gaming systems were AMD/NVidia setups.

It's like their goal is to eliminate any competition with Intel.

NV
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The common thread is all of these American companies can only be bought by foreign companies. Last year, foreign investors poured a record $414 billion into securing stakes in American companies, factories and other properties through private deals. Including major positions & future options in every major Wall street investment firm, U.S. Banks, and other Fortune 1000 companies.

Chinese, Koren, and Indian investors are buying our empty foreclosures in blocks of 500 for future rentals.

We offshored most manufacturing/production over the past 25 years.

We imported cheap service labor/poverty over the past 20 years.

Now we are being forced to sell off many of our remaining U.S. business assets.

We are currently the largest debtor nation the world has ever seen.

We as Americans will see the day soon, very soon, where don't own or produce jack shit. We will just be little TeeeVeee watching consumer-bots cashing our service job checks down at the corner Bank of Saudi...wondering WTF happened.

We are getting exactly what we deserve.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907424 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:11:47 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907410 Surfinusa : I think its time sprint either spin off Nextel and sell it off or sell of sprint to raise some cash and stick to one product or even intergrate the whole thing taking the best features and selling one company or the others name and products to stay afloat.

I don't think Alltel having gone private wants to do any deals other than if they did decide to grow, make an offer to sprint instead of sprint offering to buy Alltel.

Sprint is in no position unless they sell off one of there products.

ATT & Verizon are the walmarts of BELLS (seek and devour) Sprint is looking more and more like the underdog. Remeber Woolworths?

Mergers are the only thing that is going to keep these guys afloat. Need more money and bigger foot print and customers and you have to have the investors behind you with the Cash.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907410 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:04:50 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907401 Surfinusa :
said by JakCrow See Profile :

The last thing we need as customers is for Intel to be the only performance CPU maker.
Double Agreed on that! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907401 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:57:49 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907347 old_dawg :
said by tc1uscg See Profile :

said by BillTager See Profile :

Sprint had plenty of its own ailments long before Nextel came along.
Yep.. it was it's WIRELESS division. The LTD and WIRELINE side was doing great before Wireline/Wireless became one. Then, the WHOLE company looked like crap and still does. :o
A big thanks of recognition from legacy Wireline!.
Company has been ruined by management that chases the next bright, shiny object without staying on track. It's called bleeding edge for a reason...as in capital, stock price, and personnel. :uhh:
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said by BillTager See Profile :

Sprint had plenty of its own ailments long before Nextel came along.
Yep.. it was it's WIRELESS division. The LTD and WIRELINE side was doing great before Wireline/Wireless became one. Then, the WHOLE company looked like crap and still does. :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907171 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:52:13 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907161 tc1uscg :
said by JakCrow See Profile :

Sprint ruining another company would not be 'good'.
What company did they ruin? Surely your not thinking it was Nextel? You know, the company that lied to it's employees that everything was ok while is on the brink of bankruptcy while it was bleeding money left and right with no end in site. The company who was already having issues with it's network interfering with public service spectrum and having the FCC tell them they needed to buy other spectrum and move or risk loosing everything. Naw.. it couldn't be that company. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907161 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:48:41 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907140 patcat88 : Alltel was a better target, since they have lots and lots of area that isn't overlapped with Verizon Wireless. Remember, if Alltel+Verizon Wireless in same area, no GSM in the area (Alltel runs GSM for roamers in some areas, inherited from one company they bought). Only chance of GSM is urban Tmobile/Cingular on 1900, which always means bad to no reception in rural areas.

Alltel was taken private I belive, it can't be bought anymore.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907140 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:42:32 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907085 JakCrow : Sprint ruining another company would not be 'good'.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907085 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:25:07 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19907077 KrK : AMD has some big problems. They aren't likely to survive much longer without some radical changes.

I kinda like the idea of IBM picking up AMD. Doubt it will happen, IBM has been moving away from products and into services for awhile now, but, IBM and AMD have collaborated in the past.

I really don't want to see AMD fold up and we be left with Intel as king for CPU's and Nvidia as king for graphics cards. That just means we'll get taken for a ride on computer hardware, like the past....
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Alltel is primarily rural CDMA 1x/EVDO
Sprint is primarily urband CDMA 1x/EVDO

Verizon wireless typically covers a lot of Sprint/Alltel footprint. Verizon Wireless would try and be a spoiler to any deal between the 2. Also, Alltel most likely wouldn't want anything to do with Sprint's Nextel.
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Analysts have suggested a proper WiMax backhaul network within the larger cities could save Spring up to 20 billion dollars in backhaul fees. They never went for it for some reason. WiMax can provide a fault tolerant non line of sight backhaul network for cellular calls.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19906743 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:09:25 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19906489 N3OGH :
said by BillTager See Profile :

Sprint had plenty of its own ailments long before Nextel came along.
To be honest, I didn't pay much attention to Sprint before the merger and I was a Nextel customer at the time the merger went down.

Towards the end of my Nextel contract, I was counting the days until I could get out. That was about 3 years ago. Nextel had become nothing short of a train wreck. Customer service was beyond agonizing, the phones would constantly "reboot" and lose connection. Using direct connect was like walking into a closed door in the dark.

One of my employers still uses Nextel for car to car communications. The service is so un usable, most of the time we carry our personal cell phones and contact each over via the same. The only reason we even sign the Nextels out is the chief tells us we have to. Other than that, they go mostly un used over the course of a shift.

I'm sure Nextel has SOME satisfied users, but every time I try and DC someone at work and get that agonizing "user not available" tone I thank God I've left Nextel squarely in my past...
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Then they turned their backs on the overclockers, started in with Intel style hype (over nothing), and bought nvidia's only competitor.
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Nextel had a fantastic product back in the 2000-2002's. Then, all hell broke loose.

Nextel is a cursed company for some reason.

When Sprint ate Nextel, they got Nextel's disease.....
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Things have been quiet at Motorola, but I am curious about the Merger that was to take place, but Motorola and Samsung it is a possibility.

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As for Sprint which did not know how to manage the Nextel system because greed of Foresee was present in only becoming a notch higher on the belt of having more customers. And now is killing what was a great company and definitely in trouble as layoffs are looming. I would be surprised if Sprint would be able to acquire anyone, but maybe the layoffs are part of putting yourself in a better position of being able to go after something else.

And life goes on....
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If AMD is to survive they need to return to their budget roots and sell price per dollar instead of all the over-hyped Phenom BS. IOW, be the bridge between Intel's Core processors and Via/Cyrix.

Compete with Celeron in the sub $1000 PC market and call it done. They will never come up with another "Slot A Athlon" that can dethrone Intel strictly on performance at the rate they're going. Intel is too far ahead.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19905849 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:41:52 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19905648 PolarBear :
said by en102 See Profile :

Most of my server stuff gear up being Intel.
May be true, but what Carbidyne was saying is that Dell DOES sell computers with AMD processors in 'em. And IMHO if THAT'S not enough to keep them afloat, they're doomed no matter what.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19905648 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:13:25 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19905537 Sammer :
said by en102 See Profile :

A Sprint/Alltel merger would be good.
IMHO Verizon Wireless does have the cash and would bid up the price just to keep Sprint from getting Alltel. A Sprint/Alltel merger won't occur unless Alltel's owners think Sprint is willing to pay significantly more than Verizon Wireless would.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19905537 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:57:41 EDT Re: Anyone surprised? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19905405 en102 : Most of my server stuff gear up being Intel.
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Qwest will say where it is due to regulatory reasons.
Sprint may fragment off its Xohm business. It needs some $$ to do a decent WiMAX deployment, and its stock is currently in the toilet. A Sprint/Alltel merger would be good.
AMD - Its still deploying cheaper chips than Intel. It just needs someone on the mass scale (like a Dell) to help push sales.
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Not worthy of a in my opinion :).
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