 JulioBachatero y Que?Premium
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Re: Waste of Legal System said by pnh102:said by Julio:even if the carrier is at fault for you wanting to cancel? If a carrier cancels you, then you are not legally entitled to pay the ETF. When was the last time you heard of a carrier canceling because they provide you with crappy service? They usually will cancel you only if you cost more money to have you on their service than from what you pay them for your service. Plus, if they cancel where is my ETF money then?
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to averagedude
said by averagedude:$175 in and of itself may not be a bad thing.... What happens when you have a family plan of 5 phones? 5 x $175 = $875 !!!! Now that is a lot of money, at least it is to me. That is a lot of money. Do you really believe that the $10 Verizon coupons you'd get as a result of this settlement will make up for $875? But again, just because people don't like a legally permissible fee doesn't mean they should be exempt from the fee if it comes time to pay it.
said by averagedude:My issue is with the cell phone companies re-setting the 2 year contract date so that it is a perpetual contract. There should not be a contract when you paid full price for the phone or brought your own phone with you. Well... that solves this problem then. There are also other ways to get cell phone service without contracts. Pre-paid phones are great for that.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to Julio
said by Julio:Plus, if they cancel where is my ETF money then? Did they agree to pay you one if they cancelled you? If so, you might have a case against them.
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join:2007-01-11 | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:That is a lot of money. Do you really believe that the $10 Verizon coupons you'd get as a result of this settlement will make up for $875? But again, just because people don't like a legally permissible fee doesn't mean they should be exempt from the fee if it comes time to pay it. Don't think any 'settlement' ever makes up for the 'loss'. A 'judgement' perhaps has more of a chance. Course any member not satisfied with the settlement is able to opt-out and seek relief on their own.
It's the legality of the fee and its basis is what will be ruled on, assuming verizon doesn't just settle. |
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Camden, TN | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:A class action lawsuit over $175? Come on. If you can afford paying $50 or so a month for cell phone service, then paying an ETF should be no big deal. I hope the members of this class enjoy their $10 Verizon coupons. You sound like an individual who is not only bad with money since you don't mind pising it away, but also likes to bend over and take big corps schlongs up the chocolate starfish. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by BF69:You sound like an individual who is not only bad with money since you don't mind pising it away, but also likes to bend over and take big corps schlongs up the chocolate starfish. Paying $175 to get back $10 that I can only use if I spend even more money on a carrier which I don't like is being smart?
I've switched cell phone providers 4 times. Never paid an ETF once.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to BabyBear
said by BabyBear:Don't think any 'settlement' ever makes up for the 'loss'. A 'judgement' perhaps has more of a chance. Course any member not satisfied with the settlement is able to opt-out and seek relief on their own. True. But I don't think we will see anyone suing Verizon for $175. Like I said before, these class action lawsuits are nothing but enrichment for lawyers and scraps for the "victims."
said by BabyBear:t's the legality of the fee and its basis is what will be ruled on, assuming verizon doesn't just settle. Unless states or Congress make ETFs illegal, any ruling against Verizon that invalidates the ETF will almost certainly be overturned on appeal because the basis for the ruling will essentially be that the judge doesn't like ETFs. Of course, simply not liking a business practice is not grounds for overturning it.
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Milwaukee, WI | said by pnh102:said by BabyBear:Don't think any 'settlement' ever makes up for the 'loss'. A 'judgement' perhaps has more of a chance. Course any member not satisfied with the settlement is able to opt-out and seek relief on their own. True. But I don't think we will see anyone suing Verizon for $175. Like I said before, these class action lawsuits are nothing but enrichment for lawyers and scraps for the "victims." said by BabyBear:t's the legality of the fee and its basis is what will be ruled on, assuming verizon doesn't just settle. Unless states or Congress make ETFs illegal, any ruling against Verizon that invalidates the ETF will almost certainly be overturned on appeal because the basis for the ruling will essentially be that the judge doesn't like ETFs. Of course, simply not liking a business practice is not grounds for overturning it. Try reading the article more carefully. It appears the suit is claiming that Verizon Wireless's basis for the ETF, as stated in the contract is not legal or valid. It's not a matter of like or dislike.
“My decision is also motivated by my conclusion that as a matter of equity and fairness, millions of class members are entitled to adjudication of the central common questions of fact or law in this arbitration related to whether the $175 early termination fee imposed by respondents Cellco Partnership d/b/a Verizon Wireless … is based upon an unenforceable liquidated damage clause.”
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Mount Airy, MD | said by Alakar:It appears the suit is claiming that Verizon Wireless's basis for the ETF, as stated in the contract is not legal or valid. Of course the lawyers will make up some legal mumbo jumbo to justify this. They wouldn't have much of a case if they went out and said the ETF was legal or valid.
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said by pnh102:Verizon, and just about every other cellular carrier, gives you a trial period where you can test drive the service. These are bullshit. I trialed cingular/AT&T service and returned the phone and cancelled within a week. They refused to cancel the service, didn't refund $35 of what I paid for the phone and sent me bills for 5 months. Yes, I kept a detailed record of the zillion phone calls it took to get it resolved.
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Mount Airy, MD | said by elvey:I trialed cingular/AT&T service and returned the phone and cancelled within a week. And there are many who did cancel and had no problems at all. No system is perfect, but one bad experience doesn't mean the whole system is screwed up.
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Let it go. He is astroturfing. |
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said by pnh102:said by Julio:Plus, if they cancel where is my ETF money then? Did they agree to pay you one if they cancelled you? If so, you might have a case against them. The lawsuit could result in refunds of $1 billion across the 70 million people who have been affected by Verizon’s $175 ETF
Woo hoo a whole $1.75 cent refund after lawyers fees. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by kingofdsl:Woo hoo a whole $1.75 cent refund after lawyers fees. Actually if Verizon plays this right it could make a hefty profit. Instead of cutting checks for $1.75 or whatever, they will give out $1.75 coupons which are valid only if you purchase another service from Verizon. So many people will use these coupons and pay extra for the service that Verizon would more than make its money back after paying lawyers.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to kfsutops
said by kfsutops:Let it go. He is astroturfing. How? I don't procure any products or services from Verizon.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to pnh102
ETFs are criminal after the first contract. i mean isnt the fee to cover the cost of that free/cheap phone they waved in front of you to make the sale? but if you renew then why should you be subject to it again.
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Mount Airy, MD | said by Kearnstd:ETFs are criminal after the first contract. Where is the law that states this?
said by Kearnstd:but if you renew then why should you be subject to it again. You are only subject to it again if you choose to re-up your contract. No one is forced to do this so I don't see why a federal case needs to be made of it.
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Now THAT would actually be illegal. In a class-action suit, Verizon cannot choose the terms of their panalties...DUH! |
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said by pnh102:A class action lawsuit over $175? Come on. If you can afford paying $50 or so a month for cell phone service, then paying an ETF should be no big deal. I hope the members of this class enjoy their $10 Verizon coupons. Guilty conscience? I suspect so, since you assumed the astroturfer accusation was leveled at you.
P.S. What's your phone #? I'm going to make harassing phone calls to you until you paypal me $1. It's only $1, so in your words, it "should be no big deal". (I don't really want your phone number; I'm just making a point.)
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