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| Bill of Rights, Article One:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.(read that as "taking a case to court".)
The way I see it, anyone who stands against this lawsuit, or any lawsuit brought in most cases, stands against the The Bill of Rights, Article One. Said anyone would also like to remove that Constitutional right from us all. Can lawsuits be abused? Of course. That is why we have judges. One of the things they do, early in the case, is determine whether the lawsuit is valid and has standing. If there is a court system where this determination process seems to be broken, like Mississippi and East Texas, then that is a situation that needs fixing, but not wholesale abrogation and removal of an individual's or class's constitutional rights.
All one has to do is look at the present and looming economic morass that is facing us to recognize that large business concerns are not necessarily benevolent or ethical. Sometimes, in extremis. |
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| said by TScheisskopf  :Can lawsuits be abused? Of course. That is why we have judges. One of the things they do, early in the case, is determine whether the lawsuit is valid and has standing. If there is a court system where this determination process seems to be broken, like Mississippi and East Texas, then that is a situation that needs fixing, but not wholesale abrogation and removal of an individual's or class's constitutional rights. Both lawsuits & laws. But actually thats why we have Juries, (when people aren't trying to get out of being on one) they get to be the final 'deciders' and they also get to rule on any law in question.
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pnh102
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said by TScheisskopf :The way I see it, anyone who stands against this lawsuit, or any lawsuit brought in most cases, stands against the The Bill of Rights, Article One. What kind of BS reasoning is this? The Bill of Rights, as well as the entire Constitution itself, does not govern the activity of private individuals or corporations. It only defines and restricts the power of government.
Your inherent right to petition the government for redress of grievances actually makes lobbying legal.
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TScheisskopf
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| said by pnh102 :said by TScheisskopf :The way I see it, anyone who stands against this lawsuit, or any lawsuit brought in most cases, stands against the The Bill of Rights, Article One. What kind of BS reasoning is this? The Bill of Rights, as well as the entire Constitution itself, does not govern the activity of private individuals or corporations. It only defines and restricts the power of government. Your inherent right to petition the government for redress of grievances actually makes lobbying legal. So you are saying that The Bill of Rights does NOT give us the right to petition the government for redress of grievances when those grievances are against corporations?
Whatever you are on, you should let us know, so the rest of us can avoid it assiduously.
Oh, and what about the shopworn argument that corporations are have the rights of individuals? Or do they live in some legal nether-world that is reserved for only those entities that make over xDollars/year?
Please, stop torturing logic. We are Americans and do not engage in torture. |
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pnh102
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| said by TScheisskopf :So you are saying that The Bill of Rights does NOT give us the right to petition the government for redress of grievances when those grievances are against corporations? Yes.
The Bill of Rights grants you no rights at all. It merely states that the government cannot take away certain rights that you inherently have.
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TScheisskopf
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Sophistry in the service of argument. Doesn't address anything I stated, one iota.
So then, I take it you would rather live in a world where corporation exist unfettered under the law? Completely beyond any laws, especially civil? |
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pnh102
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| said by TScheisskopf :Sophistry in the service of argument. Doesn't address anything I stated, one iota. I answered your question.
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