Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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Re: T-Mobile
said by satellite68  :(pfffffffffffpffffffffffffttttttttttttt) Again, you can read a fucking contract all day long, but if the terms aren't there, and are added in the future, no matter how ridiculous (how about double billing per month...triple billing...) you're just ducky about giving it all because you "signed a contract"?? You sir, are an idiot, and if your "reasoning" is as elementary as "you signed a contract", well I'd hate to see what you're like in the workplace, or some other stressful situation. God bless the people around you. (rolls eyes) The education system in Kentucky must be as bad as I heard..  If you can't use some simple logic and ask ALL questions prior to entering into a contract / business agreement, then you shouldn't be doing business... It might not be T-Mobile's best move to be doing this, but they are not doing anything illegal. If they told people they could turn off the service or cancel their contracts if they were spammed, prior to signing of the contract, then they would be wrong for denying them. Otherwise, fair game.
-Tzale
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satellite68
join:2007-04-11
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(pfffffffffffpffffffffffffttttttttttttt)
Again, you can read a fucking contract all day long, but if the terms aren't there, and are added in the future, no matter how ridiculous (how about double billing per month...triple billing...) you're just ducky about giving it all because you "signed a contract"??
You sir, are an idiot, and if your "reasoning" is as elementary as "you signed a contract", well I'd hate to see what you're like in the workplace, or some other stressful situation. God bless the people around you. (rolls eyes) |
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Tzale
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said by tcope :So your first thought was that they should have read the contract. When your error was pointed out you stated that they should go to another provider. When again your error was pointed out your response now is that customers should have some how thought of the idea that this odd situation could happen at some point and then searched for an answer (again, to a problem that did not yet exist). Does your head come out of your butt at any time? About the stupidest things I've ever seen posted. 'course, you could side step the real issue again and change your reasoning. I've never changed my views.. Simple.. Read the contract, ask whatever questions you have and make a decision... You're the one with serious problems...
You didn't prove me wrong at all.. Your posts make no sense.
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tcope
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said by Tzale :said by tcope :said by battleop :Uhm. Ok if you don't like the policy then don't buy their service. It's not like they are the only cell phone provider out there. Just happens to be a little something called a contract. TM won't allow people to break it without a fine. Again, customers were not told they would be getting spam text messages and they were not told that they could not stop this "service" they never asked for. But to add to that, TM simply _won't_ turn off the service those people don't want. They should have picked a service that allowed them to turn off that feature... They could have researched this better prior to locking into the contract. Their fault.. Sorry... And usually I don't side with big corporations, but this time... Sorry. So your first thought was that they should have read the contract. When your error was pointed out you stated that they should go to another provider. When again your error was pointed out your response now is that customers should have some how thought of the idea that this odd situation could happen at some point and then searched for an answer (again, to a problem that did not yet exist). {inappropriate remark removed and apology inserted} . About the stupidest things I've ever seen posted.
'course, you could side step the real issue again and change your reasoning. |
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Tzale
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said by tcope :said by battleop :Uhm. Ok if you don't like the policy then don't buy their service. It's not like they are the only cell phone provider out there. Just happens to be a little something called a contract. TM won't allow people to break it without a fine. Again, customers were not told they would be getting spam text messages and they were not told that they could not stop this "service" they never asked for. But to add to that, TM simply _won't_ turn off the service those people don't want. They should have picked a service that allowed them to turn off that feature... They could have researched this better prior to locking into the contract.
Their fault.. Sorry... And usually I don't side with big corporations, but this time... Sorry..
-Tzale
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Tzale
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said by satellite68 :So basically you're saying all people (yourself included) have always gotten exactly as they deserved, no more, no less-because if they sign a contract, well that's tough shit- even if the contract does not specifically define or it is added without the customer's knowledge? For example, what if Verizon adds "No Ron Paul supporters can use FIOS without paying 1000 dollars extra per month" to YOUR contract without your knowledge...that's okay by you because by your logic, you signed a contract, and therefore should STFU and stop whining and blah blah blippity blah. No? Didn't think so. You'd scream to high heaven, hire a lawyer if you didn't get your way, and whine your way out of the contract as well. Yeah. That's classic. Check out all of the details about the service prior to signing the contract. That includes general service quality and any policies that the company enforces that are not within the contract.
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Neoconservatives (G.W.B) are not real conservatives. A conservative believes in defending the Constitution. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - RON PAUL 2008 »www.usconstitution.net/const.html
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satellite68
join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY | reply to Tzale
On a wholly different subject, I too have T Mobile but use prepaid...and I don't get any of those text messages.
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GetOffMyLawn
@alltel.net | reply to Tzale
That is not spelled out in the glorious contract you deliberately obtuse person!
It's a policy, not a contract term. Policy != law. |
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GetOffMyLawn
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You think this policy is spelled out in the contract? It likely just references a T&C document that is not furnished with the contract and you have to pull teeth to get a copy of. That is if they even "signed" the contract at all. Nowadays a verbal agreement to an contract available for view online counts as a "signature". |
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common_sense
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You come out talking about not signing a contract if you do not want certain restriction of the service which may or may not be stated in the contract. Let me ask you, have you ever read every word of every contract, lease, agreement, procedure, tos that you have come across. If you have then please continue talking out of your *ss as you just lied to yourself. Next time give some thought to your comment instead of just saying.. don't like don't buy it. There are times when one has to make stand as all alternates to not buying are just as bad as buying it.
As for the suit, I have a personal and business contract with tmobile and on my personal account i have received on average 20-30 txt message from unknown people costing me 10-15 dollars additional a month. I had to get a basic txt addon for $5 in the end to deal with as I have no choice to stop tmobile from sending me messages. I am glad people are starting to fight the 4 services (no competition providers) we have.
In Korea, I was able to get a very decent service with no stupid strings attached. Same in Japan while staying in both countries for short while. Can't we get some decent providers here.. oh wait I forget we are about free market (Market where everyone has to be greedy in order to create real competition) |
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satellite68
join:2007-04-11
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said by Tzale :said by tcope :said by Tzale :Not more. Stupidity should not be rewarded. You're finally right about something. A company should not get away with forcing charges against a customer for which the customer has no control and the company won't correct the problem that THEY created. THAT is stupidity. Don't sign the contract.. Simple as that. So basically you're saying all people (yourself included) have always gotten exactly as they deserved, no more, no less-because if they sign a contract, well that's tough shit-even if the contract does not specifically define or it is added without the customer's knowledge?
For example, what if Verizon adds "No Ron Paul supporters can use FIOS without paying 1000 dollars extra per month" to YOUR contract without your knowledge...that's okay by you because by your logic, you signed a contract, and therefore should STFU and stop whining and blah blah blippity blah.
No? Didn't think so. You'd scream to high heaven, hire a lawyer if you didn't get your way, and whine your way out of the contract as well.
Yeah. That's classic. |
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Angerphile
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Los Angeles, CA | reply to Tzale
And what's sad about this is... If they SPOKE to the Tech Support side of things... They can deactivate texts at the service side of things so they're completely blocked... Fine, it may not be in policy to do, but it's done. |
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Tzale
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said by tcope :said by Tzale :Not more. Stupidity should not be rewarded. You're finally right about something. A company should not get away with forcing charges against a customer for which the customer has no control and the company won't correct the problem that THEY created. THAT is stupidity. Don't sign the contract.. Simple as that.
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tcope
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said by battleop :So they hand you a contract but they cover up every thing but the signature line so you can't read it until after you have signed it? Yup. Read my post... it points out that the contract says nothing about having to be charged for text messages you did not want nor not being able to have TM stop the abuse and charges of spam text messages. I'm not sure how much more clear I can be about the _contract saying NOTHING about this issue_. I hate to be abrasive in my posts but I can't see them as being anything but very clear. |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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So they hand you a contract but they cover up every thing but the signature line so you can't read it until after you have signed it? |
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tcope
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said by battleop :Uhm. Ok if you don't like the policy then don't buy their service. It's not like they are the only cell phone provider out there. Just happens to be a little something called a contract. TM won't allow people to break it without a fine. Again, customers were not told they would be getting spam text messages and they were not told that they could not stop this "service" they never asked for. But to add to that, TM simply _won't_ turn off the service those people don't want. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | reply to battleop
your right...buy the service that says "screw the customer", but please have your congressman lower corporate taxes!
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tcope
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said by Q97531 :
You sound like you are good with contracts, fast path me to the part that states text messaging can't be disabled... That would require some actual knowledge about the subject. I don't think that is going to happen.
It's a clear case of TM knowingly setting up a system in which their customers accrue charges for a service they did not ask for, did not want, and _don't_ want. TM is telling them they don't have a choice but to pay for the service they never asked for, don't want, and asked to have discontinued.
I agree with djrobx, TM should have simply added the ability for customers to opt-out of text messages. Problem solved. Oh, but that would cut off TM's revenue from people text message spamming their customers. |
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tcope
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said by Tzale :Not more. Stupidity should not be rewarded. You're finally right about something. A company should not get away with forcing charges against a customer for which the customer has no control and the company won't correct the problem that THEY created. THAT is stupidity. |
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