Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" in All Things Macintosh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19913184 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:17:01 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:17:01 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19986125 anon : I have been over on the dark side with my portable computer life for quite some time, two fujitsu subnotebooks (P2 and P5 models) and a thin and light sony sz I hated before I got it (this is another story). I have been waiting for the Air for a long time and I guess I expected more from Apple. It is a beautiful piece of industrial engineering but it uses slower processors and weighs more than the fujitsu, sony, and toshiba subnotebooks. I expected Apple to come in with a product that clearly outclassed the competition in more than its operating system and it did not do so. The 13.3" screen is better than the 11.1" screens on the competition but the keyboards are comparable.

OK, so I am rambling (and yet I won't edit...). If I have use it or use it money, I might by the Mac Air because I have been waiting for it for a long time (I always work on the go and I travel all the time). If I don't, I hope apple gets the sequel right.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19986125 Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:13:19 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19933611 Authority :
said by sporkme See Profile :

What would make it a "must have" if it gets (and yeah, I can feel an extra 3 lbs. on my shoulder after walking a few blocks):

-much, much larger flash drive with a 1.8" HD to "back up" the flash or give you additional temporary storage
-optical drive (read-only is fine); supposedly there are some new models that are even slimmer than the current laptop drives
-ethernet
They already have what you want... it's caleld a MacBook and available in black or white. Everything you're asking for misses the point on what it is. It's supposed to be a "think client" with with to access network resources, and for that, it's fantastic. Judgeit by any other criteria and it fails miserably.
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said by BellBoy See Profile :

said by Thaler See Profile :

I think I'd shoot myself if I gunked up a $2-3k laptop full of bathroom unknown materials.
I think you'd have bigger problems than buying a laptop if you can't control your "functions" while seated. ;)
Problems can go hand in hand. I think I'd have a hard time controlling my "functions" if I had my MBA fail due to bathroom problem inevitibilities. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19932742 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:34:28 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19932277 BellBoy :
said by Thaler See Profile :

I think I'd shoot myself if I gunked up a $2-3k laptop full of bathroom unknown materials.
I think you'd have bigger problems than buying a laptop if you can't control your "functions" while seated. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19932277 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:29:30 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19931996 Thaler :
said by jmirabella See Profile :

BEST BATHROOM LAPTOP OF ALL TIME..

I do not regret spending 2k on this at all...
I think I'd shoot myself if I gunked up a $2-3k laptop full of bathroom unknown materials.

...besides, that's what $300 PC lappies are good for. Sure it's 3 pounds heavier, but you won't feel terrible when you torture-test that laptop into unusability in the odd places/tasks around the house.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19931996 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:47:58 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19931913 bbarrera :
said by jmirabella See Profile :

BEST BATHROOM LAPTOP OF ALL TIME..
LOL, reminds me of the Seinfeld "The Bookstore" episode where George takes a book into the bathroom.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19931913 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:37:22 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19931870 jmirabella : this comment is directed to both sides of the misunderstood argument..

after playing with this thing for a few hours.. I believe it is the..

BEST BATHROOM LAPTOP OF ALL TIME..

I do not regret spending 2k on this at all...
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-much, much larger flash drive with a 1.8" HD to "back up" the flash or give you additional temporary storage
-optical drive (read-only is fine); supposedly there are some new models that are even slimmer than the current laptop drives
-ethernet
-FW + more USB - capturing short clips from a video camera to flash seems like it would be handy and light on the batteries
-either built-in evdo or some kind of recessed card slot for a 3G modem of some sort - "cool" is having a 3 lb. laptop that can get high speed internet just about anywhere.
-proper cooling, hopefully intel will have some cooler and faster processors by then
-one extra bizarre apple "first"

I'd go near $3K for that (must have a ton of flash though).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19930021 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:07:47 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19928697 Authority :
said by NOCMan See Profile :

I have not misunderstood it.

It's a toy.
I think you have. The people who would buy this don't want to "open it up" or know/care what a PATA hard drive is. They do on the other hand think an extra $500 is a small price to pay for something that looks cool and saves them a few ounces in their travel bag.

You've really proven my point, people who don't "get" what it's for will hate it.
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said by Maranello See Profile :

said by bbarrera See Profile :

I found it quite snappy compared to my Mac mini with 4200rpm drive. .
Snappy, but quite a bit slower....

»www.macworld.com/article/131864/···ml?t=201
I read that review before going to the mall and expected the MBA to be slow compared to my MBP. But after launching a few apps it seemed fine. Just re-read the Macworld review and noticed this:

quote:
"But for general uses, I rarely noticed that the system was slower than my MacBook."


Source: Macworld review of MBA
»www.macworld.com/article/131864/···air.html

There is no doubt the compromises made on the MBA will limit the appeal and market.

For the stuff I do on a daily basis every notebook is 'a toy' which is why I'm selling my MBP and buying a Mac Pro. And the MBA will be the perfect traveling computer for my needs as I'm not attempting to make it a desktop replacement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19929511 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:37:23 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19929461 Post Op : I think the MacBook Air is cool. I think it costs a lot of money. I think they'll sell a shitload of 'em. It's not for me. I think it's the start of things to come. I think it will get faster and cheaper and be able to do more in the very near future. Then they'll sell an even bigger shitload of 'em. It's getting Apple a whole lotta free press (advertising). Those Apple guys seem to be pretty smart about that.
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said by Mauricio9 See Profile :

said by Maranello See Profile :

but you can't deny that a good many are going to buy this just because they think it's cool.
And that is a problem because...?
It isn't. It's just every time someone has referred to it as a toy a great chorus of voices rises from the valley and simultaneously shouts "you don't get it".

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19929271 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:04:50 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19929120 Mauricio9 :
said by Maranello See Profile :

but you can't deny that a good many are going to buy this just because they think it's cool.
And that is a problem because...?
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said by bbarrera See Profile :

I found it quite snappy compared to my Mac mini with 4200rpm drive. .
Snappy, but quite a bit slower....

»www.macworld.com/article/131864/···ml?t=201

said by Authority See Profile :

said by NOCMan See Profile :

I have not misunderstood it.

It's a toy.
I think you have. The people who would buy this don't want to "open it up" or know/care what a PATA hard drive is. They do on he other hand thing an extra $500 is a small price to pay for something that looks cool and saves them a few ounces in their travel bag.

You've really proven my point, people who don't "get" what it's for will hate it.
I agree that some people will actually find the Air useful and that it does have a place, but you can't deny that a good many are going to buy this just because they think it's cool. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19929093 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:42:05 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19928814 wmcbrine :
said by yanks See Profile :

the XPS M1330 is better looking than the MacBook (yes there is a PC that is nicer looking than a Mac!)
Not. Even. Close.

The problem with most PC design is that the designers have no taste. (In at least some cases, clearly, neither do the users.) The only recent ones I've seen that look halfway decent are the Sonys... that blatantly rip off the Apple look. Good original design? I'm just not seeing it.
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said by neuronbob See Profile :

Now wait a minute. People in this very forum have been asking for YEARS for an ultralight laptop without an optical drive.
Now we have one and people are complaining? I don't get it.
I spoke positively about a non-hard drive iPod. Many people here though it a crazy approach. Now, I bought the iPod touch, and it's a marvel. Next Apple notebook with go flash only, mark my words. Unless you said this already, in which case you are right. BTW, I saw this laptop at my local Apple store. It's just beautiful.
JOE]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19927728 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:03:57 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19927695 bbarrera :
said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Considering some of the blind defense of this thing in here, by comparison I may be.
Compared to other topics I'm surprised by the almost complete lack of blind defense of the MBA, therefore I'm a bit bewildered by this comment you've repeated in several posts.

Yesterday my 8 year old had a Build a Bear birthday party at the mall. I briefly snuck out and went upstairs to the Apple store. I spent about a few minutes with the MBA and a few minutes watching others. Half the folks wanted more ports and weren't interested, and the other half planned on buying (myself included). I found it quite snappy compared to my Mac mini with 4200rpm drive. The size and weight are perfect in my opinion. I've traveled for business since 1988 and only briefly carried an extra battery before realizing I didn't need it. As mentioned earlier I only use a single USB and DVI cable to connect my MBP to a Dell 24" LCD so the limited ports aren't an issue for me. For several years now I travel with a pocket sized wireless router for use in hotels with Ethernet in the room, so the lack of an Ethernet port is not an issue for me. However it would be nice to have GigE port for use in the office when dealing with large files (>8GB because I have an 8GB usb flash drive). Firewire is not usually an issue as I hook up our Camcorder to an iMac, but if I did want to use FW it should be possible using my miniStack v3 (USB to MBA, then FW400, FW800 and eSATA devices are available to MBA).

I'll definitely buy a MBA at some point. My short-term plan is to sell the MBP and buy a Mac Pro for use as a serious engineering workstation and server.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19927695 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:56:01 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19926862 Thaler :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

I doubt anyone is going to buy the Air based solely on 'sex appeal', especially when the MacBook is $700 less.
You obviously don't know anyone in the Beverly Hills / Hollywood area. I've met my share of people that buy on "t3h cutting edge" of fashion, then later find out just WTF they purchased.

Of course, to that crowd, buying an "oops" laptop like the MBA, then picking up a Macbook, isn't so big a deal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19926862 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:04:19 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19926852 RadioDoc :
said by bbarrera See Profile :

I'll be sure and consult with you and RadioDoc on my next computer because you guys are like totally the computer gods with more common sense than anyone I know.

;)
Considering some of the blind defense of this thing in here, by comparison I may be.

Look, I posted what a lot of "experts" have said, some of which are long-time Apple cheerleaders, and are less than thrilled with the Air. Some are downright depressed about it. Things like wireless connectivity problems & Bluetooth issues go straight to the usability of this thing since it does not have 'normal' ports as backup. You can buy whatever you want, but I certainly would not want to be stuck at a client site with one of these, no matter how sexy, light or thin it is.
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If you're a graphic designer, gamer, or general "Upgrade teh video card" type person, this is not for you.

I don't understand why people are hating on the MBA for things its not supposed to be. If you need a powerful, full size laptop, buy a MBP, end of story.
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It's a POS product that the only redeeming quality is it looks cool. That's it.

I own Macs. I'm not some windows person coming in here trying to bash Macs. This will not go anywhere. I like how people say it's for the mobile business person to do "presentation."

Are you f-ing kidding me? Mobile professionals are not using Macs. Let that go people. Business is a Windows world.

Lil Susie to dad while sitting in the backseat on a long trip. "Dad I want to watch a movie, I'm bored." Dad, "I'm sorry honey my new $1800 laptop doesn't have a dvd player."
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I have seen it criticized for lack of ports. But really, with wireless connectivity how many wired ports does one really need?

It's for those who prefer Macs. Comparing it to Windows machines is literary comparing Apples to some other fruit.

--- CHAS]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19925675 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:47:40 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19925619 Titus Pullo :
said by bbarrera See Profile :

I'll be sure and consult with you and RadioDoc on my next computer because you guys are like totally the computer gods with more common sense than anyone I know.

;)
I get your drift ... but his post was simply pointing out what other sites were saying, and anyone is free to research it on their own. If you think I really care whether anyone buys air-anything then you're sadly mistaken. Big time. I simply enjoy a parade ;)
I'm no Authority, IOW.
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;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19923491 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:31:39 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19921505 Titus Pullo : ** Attention **
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In my office the MBP is connected to a 24" LCD via a single DVI cable and single USB cable. I only use a flash drive on the road. I carry a pocket-sized wireless router to use in hotels while on the road, so that I'm not tethered via Cat5e to the desk. I rarely use DVDs or CDs. The only hardware compromise from my point of view is the 100Mbps WiFi and Ethernet connectivity, but that isn't a big issue.

When the day comes that I need it I'm glad that Apple finally released a lightweight notebook.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19918042 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:31:02 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917785 RadioDoc : MBA bashing? Is that what you call people expressing their legitimate opinions? Bashing? Most would call it criticism.

Jobs made a big deal at Macworld about not making any compromises. Now, you can dismiss that as PR fluff too but it goes to the real issue: Apple misrepresented this right out of the box. The much-maligned (in here at least) Dell XPS M1330 has few if any of the "compromises" inherent in the MBA. And that is just one example.

My opinion is formed by reading what those in the industry say about products, not what is posted on a fan-based user forum like this. There seems to be a constant trickle of issues now that people have gotten their hands on it, and Apple has started posting some of them to its website.

There are already heat issues reported and Apple says that the MBA will shut down one CPU and drop the clock on the remaining one in those situations. Their solution: Move it to somewhere cooler and/or put it on a notebook cooler. Oddly, the knowledge base document where this was stated has been pulled (#307297).

There have been issues with WiFi throughput when the lid is closed.

Transferring files is slow via WiFi. So slow Apple recommends using an Ethernet connection via the USB adapter.

You cannot use Remote Disc to install an OS via Boot Camp. You cannot boot from it at all in fact. You also evidently can't use it for DVD video or CD audio.

Many normal 3.5mm headphone plugs do not fit the audio out jack.

The USB fiasco in general.

The "restore disc" is specific to that computer and you'll need the $99 USB DVD drive to reinstall if it comes to that, which does not come with the MBA. Apple warns not to try to restore via a retail copy of Leopard, either.

There are issues when using multiple Bluetooth devices.

And that's just from what I read today. A lot of it is at macworld.com.
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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

I would suggest you take your own advice and afford those with opposing views on the MBA the same courtesy you feel those who champion it deserve.
I think you misunderstood my post -- what advice? I just observed there is a lot of MBA bashing on in this forum, I didn't pass judgement or tell you to stop.

said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Apple's own website states:

"Between 0.16 to 0.76 inch thin and weighing only 3.0 pounds, MacBook Air sets new standards for ultra-portable computing - without the usual ultra-portable compromises."
Get real, that is the standard marketing BS and further it is in fact accurate. Apple did not make the usual ultra-portable compromises and that is the source of all the gnashing of teeth (where's the Ethernet? where's the optical drive? where's the replaceable battery? why can't I upgrade RAM? etc, etc). The MBA has a unique set of compromises that other notebook vendors have not taken and that is polarizing opinions about the MBA.

said by RadioDoc See Profile :

But heaven help anyone who dares point them out.
Poor attempt at playing the victim. Bash away at the MBA but don't mistake my observation about the quantity of negative posts for dishing out advice or suppressing opinions. Re-read my post, I didn't ask you to stop nor did I invalidate your opinion. Ironically you are imploring us to agree with your opinion -- "Unfortunately, the Apple Acolytes can't contain themselves and absolutely will not listen to reason. Those limitations are going to hurt. Bad." Wow, I'm left to assume that if I find the MBA compromises acceptable for my computing needs that I "absolutely will not listen to reason" because your point of view are more important.

After rereading the negative posts I think Macworld summarized it best:
quote:
Judged merely on the cold technological specifications, the MacBook Air can't measure up to Apple's other laptops. For those to whom the tech specs matter above all else, the MacBook Air can't be seen as much more than an overpriced, underpowered toy.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917561 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:57:48 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917359 Dogfather : Then you're into other feature comparisons like backlit keyboards, ambient light sensors, tilt sensors, FW800, 5GHz 802.11n support etc. I don't consider a 15+ notebook to be in the same class with a sub-notebook like the M1330. Being in a 15.4" chassis give them room for more processor horsepower options, faster standard NVidia graphics and other knick-knacks that Dell can't run in that tight thermal envelope.

And given my experience running Vista and OS X natively on the same machine, OS X does more with less horsepower. IOW, Vista needs all the HW help it can get.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917359 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:16:07 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917313 Dogfather : I have to disagree about XPS service. I have 2 XPS Gen 4's and don't get any better service than I do with my Dell Business purchases which is horrible.

My Dell E1705 C2D with a bad drive controller was UPSed back for repair and nearly a month later I get it back with the same problem. Sent it back again, 3 weeks later get it back with the same problem. Every time I called, long hold times, accents I can't understand, and no help. My XPS Gen 4's both had bad 7600GTO video cards and the same crap service. Give them my credit card number to get the replacement cards cross shipped, return their cards and I got charged anyway as if I didn't return the old cards. Took 2 months and multiple faxing of proof of delivery to straighten that one out. A nightmare.

Meanwhile my Apple repair experiences (the 2 I've had) have been nothing but stellar. My Mac Pro had a firewire quirk and where Dell would have blown me off, the Apple Store replaced not only the logic board but both 3GHz dual core Xeons and the 1000W power supply. They did it in less than 24HRS and for $0. My MacBook got the updated heatsink swapped out in 4 hours for $0. Every time I got excellent walk in service, courteous service and a face to face point of contact.

But no machine is all things to all people. I can see the appeal of the M1330 at $1400 but certainly not at the regular $2200 price. I can buy a refurbed MacBook and iMac with factory warranty for that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917313 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:08:34 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917311 Maranello : The limited time discount isn't that limited... it's been going on for a good while now and no they aren't trying to get rid of them... they're taking on Apple and Sony for the high end of the market. Besides, even if I do miss the rebate and didn't feel like waiting a week for the next one, you've already pointed out who the M1330 is squarely aimed at... the Macbook Pro. Even at $200 more it's still got a gig more memory and 200GB more HDD space not to mention it's much smaller size... $200 is a bargain. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917311 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:08:18 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917203 Maranello :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

Then go buy one.

In my experience Vista drags down any marginal improvement in graphics horsepower and Adobe's suite doesn't hold a candle to iLife. And Dell's service sucks.

I'll take the MacBook, OS X, iLife and Apples superior service over the M1330 and Vista any day of the week.

But to each his own.
Actually I'm getting the Macbook but only because of OS X. If Apple had introduced a much more logical Pro version of the 13.3" Macbook with discrete graphics I'd be getting that instead. Unfortunately they decided to take on a small niche market... which leaves the Macbook as their only sub 15.4" (optical drive) solution.

As for Dell's service, XPS service is much better than the other models. Even so, there are horror stories but Apple has them as well so I would say neither is better than the other.

My big love of discrete graphics is less about the extra horsepower and more about the dedicated memory. It's no more expensive to add low end 128MB 8400/2400 graphics now then it is to have the X3100 sucking on 144MB of system memory. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917203 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:51:28 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917159 cmaenginsb :
said by stonecolddsl See Profile :

Your missing the point.

A. I can add ram to my EEE PC with out having the take the whole thing apart and void my warrenty.

B. It was to point out that all the things people say the MBA is supposed to be good at the EEE is good at too.

C. What is screen size is all the MBA is supposed to be use for is presentations and light doc editing etc.

D. Does screen size really matter when your hooking it up to a dlp project. Answer NO.
I am how?

A. MBA has 2 Gb of ram stock vs 512 mb so there is less need to upgrade.
B. It still runs a slower processor with a tiny hard drive.
C. Only some posters mentioned presentations, in that case it is only important unless you like to put your back to your audience and face the screen to speak.
D. Redundant with item C.

Both computers lack DVD drives, however only the MBA has a large enough hard drive to store the DVD on it.

Comparing the EEE PC with the MBA on a price point is like pointing to a Honda Civic and saying a BMW should cost the same because both get you to the same place.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917159 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:43:31 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917041 Dogfather : The White MacBook is considerably cheaper in with the same hardware configuration as the Black but whatever.

You think the M1330 running Vista is superior, then go buy one. But you better hurry because that Dell price you quote reflects a limited time discount of $800. The normal price of that M1330 is $2200, and that's $200 more than my MacBook Pro cost and nearly 2X the cost of a MacBook. Looks like Dell is very eager to unload those M1330's.

In my experience running Leopard and Vista Ultimate in BC on my MacBook Pro Vista drags down any marginal improvement in graphics horsepower and Adobe's suite doesn't hold a candle to iLife. And Dell's service sucks.

I'll take the cheaper MacBook, OS X, iLife, standard 802.11n + GigE, FrontRow (and remote that works perfectly with Keynote which is why I have a portable) and Apple's superior service over the M1330 and Vista any day of the week, even at Dell's fire sale price.

But to each his own.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19917041 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:27:05 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19916650 bobrk : I can't think of anything else that would work on a serial port. Is there anything else? I used it all the time back in my modem days, and was pretty impressed when it got ported to OS X a while ago.
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I really like the idea of the MBA but I do belive that it this first rev needs some major overhualing by the apple engineering department.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19916646 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:26:07 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19916608 HiVolt :
said by stonecolddsl See Profile :

Your missing the point.

A. I can add ram to my EEE PC with out having the take the whole thing apart and void my warrenty.
You can't add or change the ram in the MBA, its soldered onto the board and there are no slots. 2GB is what you get, no more no less.
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A. I can add ram to my EEE PC with out having the take the whole thing apart and void my warrenty.

B. It was to point out that all the things people say the MBA is supposed to be good at the EEE is good at too.

C. What is screen size is all the MBA is supposed to be use for is presentations and light doc editing etc.

D. Does screen size really matter when your hooking it up to a dlp project. Answer NO.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19916596 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:19:15 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19916577 58483323 : I agree. I was comparing notebooks this past week because I was actually considering a MacBook and I was totally turned off by what it offered for its price. The XPS is much better looking and it offers more for the price.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19916577 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:16:21 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19916488 yanks :
Your joking right? So for $1499 the black Macbook comes with a 2.2GHz C2D, 160GB HDD, X3100 onboard graphics and 1GB of memory.

For $1399 the M1330 comes with the 2.2GHz C2D, LED backlit display, 3GB memory, 320GB HDD and 128MB Nvidia 8400M GS graphics. Thats $100 less for 2GB more memory, twice the HDD space, better graphics and two years more warranty.
Also the XPS M13330 is made from magnesium alloy and aluminum where the MacBook is plastic, the XPS M1330 is better looking than the MacBook (yes there is a PC that is nicer looking than a Mac!) and the XPS comes with a sleeve case.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19916488 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:04:43 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19916380 Maranello :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

How does the current MacBook not compete with laptops like the XPS M1330?

They use the same processors, same standard X3100 graphics, same displays, same webcam, similar 5400 RPM drive options, same burner options. The only real difference I see if you can step up to a not so stellar GF8400 Mobile.

Apple already has a competitor to notebooks like the M1330.
Your joking right? So for $1499 the black Macbook comes with a 2.2GHz C2D, 160GB HDD, X3100 onboard graphics and 1GB of memory.

For $1399 the M1330 comes with the 2.2GHz C2D, LED backlit display, 3GB memory, 320GB HDD and 128MB Nvidia 8400M GS graphics. Thats $100 less for 2GB more memory, twice the HDD space, better graphics and two years more warranty.
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I work with a lot of traveling people. Most common mac I ever see carried is the MacBook Pro. When we travel we grab a few dvd's and go. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19916267 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:35:37 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19916262 Dogfather : Every pre-release Leopard thread gets killed under the guise of NDAs but we can talk iPhone hacking and promote Hackint0sh 24-7.

Amazing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19916262 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:34:50 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19916237 cmaenginsb : With respect to the USB 3G modem "issues", from my and other's experience having the modem directly connected to the USB port on the computer is a bad idea as it creates unplanned for stress on the USB port that gives you a "loose" port. I have always used the extension cable that comes with the modem and have found that in addition to worrying less about breaking the modem off while plugged in the signal strength and performance of the unit is better with it further away from the computer. (It's also stated in the manual of the modem this way.) So in that case it is not a real drawback.

This is going to be a love it or hate it product, just like the iPhone.

As to comparing the eee pc to an MBA, from reading the specs it to lacks an optical drive, has 1/2 the screen size of the mba, a smaller keyboard, smaller hard drive, slower processor, and less ram. So of course it's going to be cheaper than even the MBA with a hard drive.
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said by sporkme See Profile :

said by stonecolddsl See Profile :

Asus EEE PC I got it during Xmas 299 camera wifi 4 gig flash. Can illegaly (which is bad so dont do it) OSX.
Has anyone made an EEEEEEPC run OS-X? I'd love to see that.
Check this site.

»www.osx86project.org/
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said by stonecolddsl See Profile :

Asus EEE PC I got it during Xmas 299 camera wifi 4 gig flash. Can illegaly (which is bad so dont do it) OSX.
Has anyone made an EEEEEEPC run OS-X? I'd love to see that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19915997 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:01:21 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19915838 stonecolddsl : I dont think it misunderstood I think this MBA rev1 will end up with the G4 Cubes, TAM(I have one still NIB my center piece of my Mac Collection) , AppleTV, Newton corner, nice idea but not well thought out.

Preformance is key. Removeable Batteries are key . Some people mention that the point is to view and light editing of documents so preformance does not need to be great. Okay I buy that one for now.

No removable batteries... Some would say that that what AC apdaters are for I say blah. While the magport is my favorite feature on my MBP it lacks 3rd party devices. Example there was a back order on the Airplane adpater when I went on a trip well hence why I keep 3 fully charged batteries with me.

No optical drive ... No response here as I seldom use the one in my mbp so the times I am absolutely going to need it I am going to have a external near by.

Screen size not really important to me unless I doing major editing but as the proponents state I should not be using it for major editing as it made to be a ultralight ment for reviewing documents and light editing and presitations. Fine I can believe that.

1 USB port. No excuse for this there should be 2 at and it also as a bad location.

So after all this what does ultra light do other then run OSX legally? Nothing really.

Asus EEE PC I got it during Xmas 299 camera wifi 4 gig flash. Can illegaly (which is bad so dont do it) OSX. Very light and actually not a bad little machine and it views documents , and does everything the MBA does except run OSX legally. If I was in a rush I would grab the EEE PC over my MBP if I was just going to use the EEE PC for the same uses that apple and the MBA supporters say I should use the MBA for .

Granted the biggest factor is the extra 60 gigs of flash that the MBA has on the flash drive version and that adds to cost but even comparing the mba HD version at 1,700 to the eee pc at what the today price of 399 for the 4G edition that can do the same task also very light and 1,300 dollars more. Sorry I really dont see the need to spend an extra 1,300 to run OSX legally to do the same tasks the EEE PC can do.

I love my macs and I think if apple sticks to the MBA that future MBA revsions will hopefully take care of some of the minor issues and the biggest issue cost.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19915838 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:41:24 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19915616 MarkyD : perfect road warrior machine. Not for me. But I can see how one would find it incredibly useful.
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said by jmirabella See Profile :

I am buying it as a 'work toy' - a computer and my trusty usb to serial dongle that I can bring into a colo and console servers / routers with.
Do you use ZTerm with the dongle?
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Don't forget the video for Leopard where the guy talks about how simple it is to "upgrade your system - just insert the disk" and then get lambasted when people ask you whether you upgraded or A/I or clean ... blah blah yada.

Zappa claimed in an interview that MBAs would ruin the world. He was truly visionary.
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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Apple's own website states:

"Between 0.16 to 0.76 inch thin and weighing only 3.0 pounds, MacBook Air sets new standards for ultra-portable computing — without the usual ultra-portable compromises."

There certainly seem to be quite a few of the usual ultra-portable compromises. But heaven help anyone who dares point them out.
This is absolutely true. As much as I feel the Air has a specific mission, the marketing is a wee bit inaccurate. I guess that would be a partial cause of some of the disappointment we read about on this board. The Reality Distortion Field can easily warp the mission of this machine beyond what it can really handle.
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said by Authority See Profile :

People keep asking me me what I think of the MacBook Air. Even non-Apple users are intrigued... something I haven't seen since the iPhone.

I think the problem with the Air is that people don't really understand what it's for. The Air is really for people who already have one or more Mac AND travel
OK. "people keep asking you what you think ..." of the product and are "intrigued." How does that indicate that they misunderstand the product? I'm missing the support part that usually follows the claim.

About all I hear are comments like (a) 'damn, that thing is thin! and (b) 'damn, that's too rich for my blood' I don't get the impression that everyone is an ape looking at a TI83 while wondering how to eat it.
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I don't know about the optical drive prediction that Jobs made. People like to watch DVDs on the road and I think he is trying to shift this to iTunes rentals. I could be wrong, but that is my theory. I'm also concerned about data recovery problems. If your harddrive crashes in bumf-k, a trip to the local Walmart, purchasing a copy of Norton's gives you a fighting chance.

I remember being at a hotel outside DC and trying to get a hotel clerk at one of the minimally staffed chain places to print my boarding pass from my USB key. She refused to insert my key in her machine (I wound up faxing the boarding pass from my laptop to the hotel fax). Imagine asking to click up to her drive.

Yes, you can buy an external superdrive, but my experience is that you leave the drive behind for weight and then need it where you least expect it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19914866 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:57:52 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19914764 RadioDoc : "I'm pretty reasonable guy and haven't come across the 'Apple Acolytes can't contain themselves' you speak of."

You must not be reading this site.

I would suggest you take your own advice and afford those with opposing views on the MBA the same courtesy you feel those who champion it deserve.

Apple's own website states:

"Between 0.16 to 0.76 inch thin and weighing only 3.0 pounds, MacBook Air sets new standards for ultra-portable computing — without the usual ultra-portable compromises."

There certainly seem to be quite a few of the usual ultra-portable compromises. But heaven help anyone who dares point them out.
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Having said that, the only complaint about the MBA that I think is valid is the complaint about how annoying it is that some USB devices don't fit.
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said by jmirabella See Profile :

said by NOCMan See Profile :

Hard Drive = PATA

friend from a company formerly known as Maxtor told me that the SATA interface was too big, and that the drive in the MBA is 'state of the art' for its size / density..
I'm not aware of any large capacity SATA 1.8" drives in mass production. All I've seen from manufacturers like Toshiba are various PATAs and all are 4200RPM to save on power.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19914704 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:33:19 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19914674 Dogfather : It's like people see 4200RPM PATA drives as "bad" for a sub notebook when these 1.8" drives are the easiest on batteries and have the smallest physical packaging.

They continue to ignore competitors, saying they'll just buy another sub-notebook and hackint0sh it...what other notebook? One of these sweet 1-1.2GHz Windows turds with a microscopic keyboard and screen? Why, cause it has a 5400RPM drive instead? Why, cause the microscopic keyboard will come off?

Doesn't make any sense. And opening the notebook? I buy Macs so I don't HAVE to open them. Putting a hacked OS X makes it an even bigger PITA. Yeah, I really need to be constantly tinkering to keep the notebook I use for my business travel working. If I wanted to endlessly piss with a notebook to keep it running, I'd buy a Dell running Vista. That would keep me plenty occupied.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19914674 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:28:13 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19914671 jmirabella :
said by NOCMan See Profile :

Hard Drive = PATA

friend from a company formerly known as Maxtor told me that the SATA interface was too big, and that the drive in the MBA is 'state of the art' for its size / density..
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said by NOCMan See Profile :

I have not misunderstood it.

It's a toy.

Hard Drive = PATA

Dongles

Can not open it up..

It's a high priced POS. At this point I'd just buy one of the other micro laptops out there and hackintosh it.

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It's a toy.

Hard Drive = PATA

Dongles

Can not open it up..

It's a high priced POS. At this point I'd just buy one of the other micro laptops out there and hackintosh it.
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They use the same processors, same standard X3100 graphics, same displays, same webcam, similar 5400 RPM drive options, same burner options. The only real difference I see if you can step up to a not so stellar GF8400 Mobile.

Apple already has a competitor to notebooks like the M1330.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19914509 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:56:39 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19914483 yanks : With the possibility of recession around the corner this was pretty bad timing to come up with such a niche product like the MacBook Air.
Very disappointing to me, I really was hoping for a real 13" MacBook Pro, something that would compete with the Sony SZ and Dell XPS M1330. As much as I like OS X over Windows Apple has pushed me over to the PC side this time to get a proper 13" notebook. Had Apple only updated the 12" Powerbook into a 13" MacBook Pro there would be have been hoards of people lining up for one. This is one of those cases where it looks good in the window but how many people are really going to buy one. Steve Jobs is not infallible, this time I think he went over the top. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19914483 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:52:13 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19914404 Dogfather : Yawn.

It doesn't matter that some dim-witted people don't know what it's for. Only those ready to buy a SUB-notebook and are ready to click BUY need to know what it can and can't do and in that, the feature set of the Air and its purpose are very well documented both online and in store.

I doubt anyone is going to buy the Air based solely on 'sex appeal', especially when the MacBook is $700 less. It's like saying someone is going to buy an SR500 based on sex appeal or a TZ150 based on sex appeal. And if there happens to be someone that stupid, let them be soured to Mac. Who cares? Just means a cheaper MBA on eBay for the rest of us.

Meanwhile with a 1.6-1.8GHz Core 2 Duo, it's performance is on par with a lot of notebooks on the market and kicks the living crap out of other notebooks in it's sub-notebook class.

So even if they did buy it "by mistake" which is quite a speculative leap, they aren't going to be disappointed with it's performance. Apple made compromises with ports, replaceable battery and the like, but they didn't compromise on performance.

Seems to be the biggest critics of the MBA are simply the same generic Apple haters we always see whenever an Apple item makes it to the front page of DSLR. Most clearly don't even know what a sub-notebook is and certainly don't travel for business. It's the same group of dumbasses who said the iPhone would be a failure and that it sucked. Meanwhile it's already sold millions of units and the entire industry has scrambled to release 'touch' products of their own all of which are marketplace failures.

Who gives a sh!t what the dumbass haters think? They'll endlessly piss, moan and complain no matter what simply based on the logo that is on the back.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19914404 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:37:46 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19914108 Otto : For me personally, it'd be the ultimate "sit on the couch and surf while watching TV" notebook. I may not be in a plane weekly, but I still see the awesomeness ;).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19914108 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:33:02 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19913911 fraz :
said by neuronbob See Profile :

Now wait a minute. People in this very forum have been asking for YEARS for an ultralight laptop without an optical drive.

Now we have one and people are complaining? I don't get it. Of course it has limitations. It's not a desktop replacement and it's not meant to be one. In addition, Apple is trying to have a variety of machines for a variety of needs. Not everyone needs an optical drive when they travel, for example. If they are working with documents that are already stored on their HD, no problems.

Sure the price is a little steep (my only criticism), but the tech for this sort of thing is expensive, too. I'm actually considering buying one simply as an adjunct to my MBP (which is my de facto desktop now....). I do presentations in the community on stroke, and an ultralight machine without frills is perfect for Powerpoint and such.

Have a little imagination, and if you don't need an Air, don't hate on people who like it. :)
I agree 100% -- and bought mine for this very purpose, except my presentations involve extensive air travel-- no fun whatsoever with a MBP. I've been a computer geek type since the 80's and have never bought a piece of gear just for the "pretty" factor -- they're tools, not earrings. Actually. my favorite part of all the Mac Air "hating" is the inherent paternalism/maternalism -- somehow random people on the internet "know" what will work in my situation and I will find that these limitations will "hurt me" ? Bizarre.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19913911 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:20:09 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19913792 neuronbob : Now wait a minute. People in this very forum have been asking for YEARS for an ultralight laptop without an optical drive.

Now we have one and people are complaining? I don't get it. Of course it has limitations. It's not a desktop replacement and it's not meant to be one. In addition, Apple is trying to have a variety of machines for a variety of needs. Not everyone needs an optical drive when they travel, for example. If they are working with documents that are already stored on their HD, no problems.

Sure the price is a little steep (my only criticism), but the tech for this sort of thing is expensive, too. I'm actually considering buying one simply as an adjunct to my MBP (which is my de facto desktop now....). I do presentations in the community on stroke, and an ultralight machine without frills is perfect for Powerpoint and such.

Have a little imagination, and if you don't need an Air, don't hate on people who like it. :)
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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Unfortunately, the Apple Acolytes can't contain themselves and absolutely will not listen to reason. Those limitations are going to hurt. Bad.
I'm pretty reasonable guy and haven't come across the 'Apple Acolytes can't contain themselves' you speak of. Every review I've read is very balanced and points out the good and bad. And there isn't a lot of gushing on this forum, instead recent threads are clogged with negative comments from the 'anti MBA acolytes' hell bent on telling us how the MBA is a mistake on several fronts.

I think the Macworld review sums it up for me...
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If the story of the MacBook Air is a story about compromise, the decision about whether the MacBook Air is a product worth having can be answered by one question: How much are you willing to compromise?

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Judged merely on the cold technological specifications, the MacBook Air can't measure up to Apple's other laptops. For those to whom the tech specs matter above all else, the MacBook Air can't be seen as much more than an overpriced, underpowered toy.

But for those who factor size, weight, and yes, I'll admit it, style into the equation, the MacBook Air begins to make more sense. Up until now, Mac users who craved the smallest Mac laptop possible have made their own compromise, using the lower-powered MacBook (or clinging desperately to the even lower-powered 12-inch PowerBook G4).

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Source: »www.macworld.com/article/131864/···air.html

So thats the deal, if you value Mac OS X and want/need a lightweight notebook then you are in the target market. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19913450 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:46:49 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19913336 WALL_E : Agreed 100% on all counts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19913336 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:56:43 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19913274 jmirabella : I am buying it as a 'work toy' - a computer and my trusty usb to serial dongle that I can bring into a colo and console servers / routers with.

the size / weight are a huge plus for me - this laptop is good for my frequent travel both air and train.. I connect via bluetooth through a second phone instead of aircard now.. so the ports are not an issue.

my bag will contain the macbook air, usb to serial dongle + assorted console cables, my old airport express, external 320gb WD passport drive ( very optional ), ethernet dongle, install DVD ( ugh ), power brick + extension cable .
edit: add noise cancelation headphones to the bag, hope the plug fits! =)

I am also paying for this, not the company..
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This is a machine for someone with an expense account or more money than sense, in my opinion.

Yah, my MBP may weigh a ton with it, my camera, my 500GB G drive and 160 GB external drive, but when I'm on the road, I have all the tools I need to complete my photographic assignments.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19913241 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:23:29 EDT Re: Why the MacBook Air is "misunderstood" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19913191 RadioDoc :
said by Authority See Profile :

The danger is if a new user buys a MacBook Air on sex appeal and is disappointed with the performance or other limitations it could sour them to the Mac.
* ding *

You nailed it.

Unfortunately, the Apple Acolytes can't contain themselves and absolutely will not listen to reason. Those limitations are going to hurt. Bad.
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I think the problem with the Air is that people don't really understand what it's for. The Air is really for people who already have one or more Mac AND travel a lot AND who have relatively simple requirements (surfing and documents as opposed to editing). The problem is it's so damn sexy it appeals to people who would really be better off with something else.

The danger is if a new user buys a MacBook Air on sex appeal and is disappointed with the performance or other limitations it could sour them to the Mac.

In summary, I think the MacBook Air is a GREAT solution for a relatively small group of people with specific needs and will probably disappoint anyone else.
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