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| Here We Go Again We can have Government funded socialistic welfare broadband when you can pry my wallet out of cold dead hands.
Oh I forgot they already can It is called all the death tax.
This is all this argument is all about: roll out the poor and rural folks to demand government buy you the latest toys. |
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| said by Scatcatpdx:We can have Government funded socialistic welfare broadband when you can pry my wallet out of cold dead hands. Oh I forgot they already can It is called all the death tax. This is all this argument is all about: roll out the poor and rural folks to demand government buy you the latest toys. "Death tax" = BB "socialistic welfare." Do you even know WTH you're talking about? BTW - the so called death tax only hurts you if mommy & daddy are leaving you their millions. Are you a millionaire, junior? |
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 powerhogStinkin' up the jointPremium
join:2000-12-14
Owasso, OK | reply to Scatcatpdx
You assume that making a service available is the same as giving that service for free. No one is asking for FREE service- we'd just like to have it available for us to buy.
Much like all the subsidized food you buy and eat that is not grown in town. |
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Sammer
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Canonsburg, PA | reply to Scatcatpdx
said by Scatcatpdx:This is all this argument is all about: roll out the poor and rural folks to demand government buy you the latest toys. I'm not a liberal but do realize if the government had never subsidized things like electric service, drinking water, sanitation, telephone service, highways and roads, public health, etc. you would probably have a shorter lifespan and be paying that death tax sooner. |
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to SilverSurfer1
said by SilverSurfer1:"Death tax" = BB "socialistic welfare." Do you even know WTH you're talking about? BTW - the so called death tax only hurts you if mommy & daddy are leaving you their millions. And why is that good?
People pay taxes on the money they earn when they live. Why should they pay taxes when they die too?
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| said by pnh102:People pay taxes on the money they earn when they live. Why should they pay taxes when they die too? If you're not a millionaire, then you don't have to worry about being taxed when your dead, big boy. Are you a millionaire? I suspect not, however you assume you will be one. But if you live in the U.S., that ain't likely to happen. But you can continue dreaming and otherwise sticking up for/voting against your own financial best interest because you believe you'll have Bill Gates' bottom line someday. |
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Excuse me but if there is a market for the service the market will make it available. I been to small town where a guy brought in a few T-1 lines and sell WI-FI to his neighbors. No need for a government to business subsidy to make brodband available.
The problem I have is the call for centralized planing of brodband. To bring universal 100Mbs brodband, it will take a massive infusion of tax dollars to build the infrastructure, most of this case the money will be insufficiently and corruptly spent as the way with most government projects. Think of the defense industry's $2,000 toilet seats and $400 hammers.
To me a private but slower solution 20Mps FTTN solution can be just effective without involving tax dollars. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to SilverSurfer1
said by SilverSurfer1:If you're not a millionaire, then you don't have to worry about being taxed when your dead, big boy. I suppose one could make the same argument about increased law enforcement and people not breaking the law.
Again, why should people pay death tax?
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Oh like the Tennessee Valley Authority. It started with good intentions but it morphed into a government sinkhole.
To me the idea of national brodband plan is starting to sound like Tennessee Valley Authority II with all the cost and corruption. |
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said by pnh102:... Again, why should people pay death tax? it's an inheritance tax, not a death tax. the main opposition to this tax comes from a small group of extremely wealthy families (walmart heirs, etc.) worth billions. I'm pretty sure there are less than 1000 families that are currently impacted by the inheritance tax. |
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I think the answer to the 'death tax' is quite simple. YOU CAN'T TAKE IT WITH YOU. Period. If you want to avoid the tax, just gift your kids 20K/year. That's tax free. But apart from that, when you die, all the money you 'earned' came from 'other people'. The death tax is a way to give that back to 'other people', who allowed you to make the money in the first place. Sure you should be able to leave a reasonable amount to your kids, say 1 million, but after that, it should be a 95% tax rate.
Guess what, all the 'rich' people are the main reason the US debt is over $12,000,000,000,000.00. If we use the money from the rich to pay off the debt, then EVERYONE wins, not just the heirs of the rich.
Do the math, the top 10% of the US owns 70% of all the assets in the US. That means that if we start taxing at the $1,000,000.00 mark, when those people die, we could pay off the US debt, AND have a huge capital reserve to buy other countries assets (i.e. oil, etc). Universal health care, etc, etc.
When your dead, your money means nothing. Limit what you can pass on to the heirs, let THEM make their own money. Hell, anyone could strike it rich with a million dollar seed fund. Lets use the WEALTH that has been taken from the people, and spread it back around TOO the people. Why anyone needs a hundred million dollar trust fund boggles the mind. Let the KIDS EARN their own money, let the people take BACK what they gave to the wealthy in the first place. Everyone wins, no-one looses, (except the spoiled rich kids). If you personal business is WORTH 50 million dollars, then guess what, the kids will need to BORROW 49 million if they want to own it. Nothing wrong with that.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | said by karlmarx:Guess what, all the 'rich' people are the main reason the US debt is over $12,000,000,000,000.00. The reason for US debt is because the US spends more than it takes in.
said by karlmarx: If we use the money from the rich to pay off the debt, then EVERYONE wins, not just the heirs of the rich. Again, why is it right? Because you say so? If rich people believe the government should be the beneficiary of their estate, then they can donate it to the government upon their death.
said by karlmarx:Do the math, the top 10% of the US owns 70% of all the assets in the US. That means that if we start taxing at the $1,000,000.00 mark, when those people die, we could pay off the US debt, AND have a huge capital reserve to buy other countries assets (i.e. oil, etc). Funny you mention that. Do you really believe if we tax all assets at the rate you suggest that any rich person will leave a nickel in a US bank account upon their death?
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to nasadude
said by nasadude:it's an inheritance tax, not a death tax. It is both.
said by nasadude:the main opposition to this tax comes from a small group of extremely wealthy families (walmart heirs, etc.) worth billions. Incorrect. Many wealthy people, like Ted Kennedy, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, support the tax. Why? I don't know. However I do find it funny that Buffet himself is avoiding the death tax that he wants us to pay by donating most of his estate to charity upon his death.
Most of the people who wish to abolish the death tax are small business owners who want to be able to pass their work to their families without paying a tax.
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said by Scatcatpdx:We can have Government funded socialistic welfare broadband when you can pry my wallet out of cold dead hands. Oh I forgot they already can It is called all the death tax. This is all this argument is all about: roll out the poor and rural folks to demand government buy you the latest toys. Americans live in total denial that they are really a socialist country. The US budget is 2.9 Trillion most of which will be funneled into the hands of rich people while the poor and middle class struggle to survive let alone save anything.
Sigh...spending $100 billion to wire everyones home sounds like a good idea that will payoff dividends for years to come. At least it's better then the stinking military getting to wage wars in countries we don't need to be in. |
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Umm, well, YES, they will 'leave a nickle' in their bank. They might BUY fancy cars, and yachts, and big houses, but they can't HIDE their assets. Remember, when you file a final return, you list ALL your assets. THAT is what would be taxed? Oh, so they move the money overseas? Gee, thanks to the Bush Regime, that can't be hidden anymore. You can't hide assets. Simple as that. If the money ever ENTERS the US, they know about it.
Bottom line is what's the point of money when you're dead? It's pointless.. The question is, what's the best use of that money, it's sure not passing on 100 million to a spoiled rich kid.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | said by karlmarx:Umm, well, YES, they will 'leave a nickle' in their bank. They might BUY fancy cars, and yachts, and big houses, but they can't HIDE their assets. Hah.
Do you really believe that? You'd be surprised how little most rich people actually "own" or have "in the bank." People use all sorts of schemes to remove their money from the realm of taxation. Come to think of it, a lot of rich people do the same thing right now to avoid the death tax. So even if we impose a 95% death tax as you suggest, most rich people will avoid it.
The key now is to let all the people who don't want to pay the tax know what these loopholes are so they can escape it as well.
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| Wow....the grass is always greener!
Rich people means nothing, but its a great envy tactic that politicians pull when they have no logical, financially feasible solution! 
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said by pnh102:Incorrect. Many wealthy people, like Ted Kennedy, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, support the tax. I didn't say all wealthy people, I said a "small group"; I should have said "a small group of greedy rich people". People like Clinton, Gates and Buffet actually know the facts and believe there should be a tax on inherited wealth - they are not greedy.
said by pnh102:Most of the people who wish to abolish the death tax are small business owners who want to be able to pass their work to their families without paying a tax. For 2006-2008, the first $2,000,000 in assets is exempt, in 2009 it goes up to $3.5M. I don't remember the number, but last time I saw it, a huge number (75%? 80%, more?) of small businesses are under the $2-3M evaluation. And I was correct the first time: small business owners are not clamoring to abolish the "death tax", it is mainly pushed by astroturf organizations being funded by the "small group of greedy rich people" I mentioned initially.
"Byline: Lisa Shidler CHICAGO - Eighteen families worth a total of $185.5 billion are financing an effort to repeal the estate tax, according to a new report. The research showed that these families stand to snare a total of $71.6 billion in savings if the estate tax is repealed."
like the broadband/density argument, small business/inheritance tax argument is bogus. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | said by nasadude:People like Clinton, Gates and Buffet actually know the facts and believe there should be a tax on inherited wealth - they are not greedy. People who are generous with the money of others, and in the case of Warren Buffet, not only generous with the money of others but wants to exempt his own money from what he wants the rest of us to pay may not be greedy... but they are hypocritical jerks.
Again, if people like Clinton, Kennedy, Gates and Buffet want the government to be the beneficiary of their work when they die, then that is fine, they can donate all their money to the government upon their death.
said by nasadude:like the broadband/density argument, small business/inheritance tax argument is bogus. Again, you've not shown me any good argument for the death tax. Saying "I want to punish those greedy people" is just being selfish.
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elijah6Premium
join:2002-02-14
Lake Wales, FL | reply to karlmarx
dude, you're making too much sense. I feel the neotards blood pressure is going through the roof from reading your response.
expect a 'tard swarm any minute now. |
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