bogey780
join:2004-03-19
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Re: O RLY?
Outside of a small commune I don't see where you could find successful central planning. |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | The third Reich, China, Japan... |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
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| Hey now..to be fair they weren't exactly the same. Those were more fascist/socialist in that the state and industry worked together. China less so... but when it was a strong central planner it stunk. Remember all that wasted Chinese steel from the GLF? |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY
| True, but what does it really mean to be a fascist/socialist state. I mean political ideology is separate from economic planning to a certain extent. On some levels fascism promoting national unity may have been helpful, but on the other hand human evolutionary psychology would indicate that humans don't give a rats ass beyond their immediate social circle. Then we have the Japanese example as well to consider, which makes Weimar Germany a valid example.
The Chinese steel example makes sense, but we can offer equal anecdotal evidence against non centrally planned capitalist states (bridges to no where, franchise agreements, etc?). We are also talking about a China that isn't plagued by overly nationalistic ambitions (China in the status quo). Certainly under Mao you could say central planning was a failure. Capitalism was a failure under certain African states. In reality those failures were a result of political climate. |
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emptywig
Huh? What?
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join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX | reply to grandpinaple
Seems to me the Third Reich's planning sucked pretty bad.
wig |
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