Re: Excessive Fee ... Cable company ... Where is the surprise? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19927034 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:40:52 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:40:52 EDT Re: Excessive Fee ... Cable company ... Where is the surprise? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19930231 supergirl : Never seen a provider not charge a LNP fee every month. I'd still take them to small claims court--just to see them squirm at spending $10,000 to defend a $40 charge. Maybe even go on Judge Judy. :o

I know a friend who sued a person that hit his car for rental fees, emotional distress, etc. and won $15,000. The person was broke but when he gets something, he pays for being drunk and hitting a parked car.
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said by ITALIAN926 See Profile :

Someone who goes by the name "fiberguy" should know that POTS lines are regulated and VoIP service is not.
.. to a point! VoIP does have SOME regulation behind it.

And what does fiber have to do with either service exclusively? Both use it..

My point remains about "fees"... Telephone doesn't have to charge some of the fees they charge to begin with. Regulations have nothing to do with it. If you had Comcast or Time Warner, or other "VoIP" services, you'd know they do charge "fees".. just not as many.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19927034 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:45:33 EDT Re: Excessive Fee ... Cable company ... Where is the surprise? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19927482 tc1uscg :
said by battleop See Profile :

I'm not really that involved with this part of our VoIP business but I am pretty sure that there are rules in place to prevent the ILecs from charging such fees.
Well, they do, or use too. It's the LNP charge. Some use to charge it but I think for the most part, it's hidden now. But since I've HAD VoIP with 2 different providers and went back to good ole high quality trusty POTS, I can say this much. The reason they can GET AWAY WITH IT is because VoIP isn't regulated as a product. So, it will be interesting to see what happens when Sprint or some 3rd party group starts selling VoIP over WIMAX where it pretty much hits a TELCO network from tower to called party. This could be interesting. :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19927482 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:06:00 EDT Re: Excessive Fee ... Cable company ... Where is the surprise? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19925577 ITALIAN926 : Someone who goes by the name "fiberguy" should know that POTS lines are regulated and VoIP service is not. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19925577 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:27:14 EDT Re: Excessive Fee ... Cable company ... Where is the surprise? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19925460 cdru :
said by supergirl See Profile :

Can different carriers charge different amounts?

Yes, because different carriers have varying costs of operating due to numerous economic factors. Although the FCC does not regulate the amount of such charges, all such charges must be just and reasonable.
»www.fcc.gov/cgb/NumberPortability/

Sounds like to me Cablevision is committing fraud by violating the FCC Rules on LNP.
I would disagree. While to you and me $40 seems excessive, I bet a court (or the FCC) would side with Cablevision. $40 may be reasonable if Cablevision charges only those customers that port their number in instead of charging everyone a smaller LNP fee.

Plus, what exactly does "just and reasonable" mean? It's too vague and so at most, I bet they would only get a slap on the wrist.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19925460 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:47:05 EDT Re: Excessive Fee ... Cable company ... Where is the surprise? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19923825 StreetSpirit : Just a few weeks ago I was ordering new OV service and was a bit surprised at the relatively high fee of $40 dollars to port a number. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19923825 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:45:36 EDT Re: Excessive Fee ... Cable company ... Where is the surprise? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19922543 fiberguy :
said by slomike2 See Profile :

The cable industry has shown over and over again, that they will charge excessive fees when ever they are allowed to.
And somehow, my POTS phone bill has 7 fees on it, and caller somehow is now worth $10 a month.

If you're going to make a statement, at least be accurate about it.

Cable doesn't charge the fees... cable may have high rates, but fees? not really...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19922543 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:06:44 EDT Re: Excessive Fee ... Cable company ... Where is the surprise? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19922004 supergirl : If you pay an LNP fee to Cablevision, report it to the FCC. Hell, I'd sue them in small claims court over--win or lose.

Are carriers allowed to charge for number porting, and, if so, how much can the charges be?

Carriers are allowed to recover their costs of implementing wireless LNP by charging fees to customers. They have been allowed to do this in advance of the LNP deadline because they have been incurring costs for LNP upgrades in preparation for the deadline.

Carriers may recover their costs either by including line-item fees for LNP on their customers' monthly bills or by raising the monthly rate. Carriers that have been adding line items to consumer bills to recover LNP costs have typically been charging from a few cents to a little over a dollar.
Carriers are also allowed to charge a fee to customers at the time their number is ported. However, there are no rules preventing a new carrier from paying an old carrier's porting costs for the benefit of the new customer. You should ask the new carrier whether it has a policy of paying or reimbursing such charges.

Can different carriers charge different amounts?

Yes, because different carriers have varying costs of operating due to numerous economic factors. Although the FCC does not regulate the amount of such charges, all such charges must be just and reasonable.
»www.fcc.gov/cgb/NumberPortability/

Sounds like to me Cablevision is committing fraud by violating the FCC Rules on LNP.
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-Supergirl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19922004 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:10:51 EDT Re: Excessive Fee ... Cable company ... Where is the surprise? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19921938 battleop : I'm not really that involved with this part of our VoIP business but I am pretty sure that there are rules in place to prevent the ILecs from charging such fees. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19921938 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:55:19 EDT Excessive Fee ... Cable company ... Where is the surprise? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19921426 slomike2 : The cable industry has shown over and over again, that they will charge excessive fees when ever they are allowed to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19921426 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:16:47 EDT