Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19930680 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 02:26:08 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 02:26:08 EDT Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19937080 asellus : Buying companies for their human resources acquisition is not that different from buying companies for their product. It is just like Microsoft buying Groove just to get Ray Ozzie. Without the personnel Google gets from their acquisition I do not think they will be able to get where they are now. Saying Google becomes no.1 on their own is a strawman.

Last time I checked, Google buyout of DoubleClick is already approved in USA. Even that, those combo is not even a monopoly of online advertisement, that's why it was approved. So are with Yahoo+Microsoft. BTW, have you heard of Linux or Mac OSX? Those two are proof that no one is locked onto Microsoft software/products. And your suggestion that Microsoft will integrate Yahoo! products over their own such as Windows Live Messenger (still the biggest IM service on the planet), Hotmail (still have the most active accounts in the world), Windows Live Spaces (has more users than any other social-networking sites in the planet) in their OS is hogwash.
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What's even worse is you fall for the MS propaganda and think that being number 1 in search translates into some huge monopoly. What Microsoft really cares about is that Google with their Doubleclick acquisition (yet to be approved) will become the largest (by by no measure controlling advertising provider. Unlike MS's desktop monopoly where people are locked into using MS products. The minute Google fails to perform, people will start using other sites. The same holds true with the advertising. Yet you want to say it's the same thing as the Microsoft acquisition where you have a convicted monopolist with 90% share of operating systems and an equivalent share of the office software market acquiring the largest portal site on the Internet. Not only will MS use their desktop monopoly to integrate Yahoo! fully into the OS but they will leverage the email and IM integration into the OS and Office suite to monopolize internet portals. (That is if they don't screw it up.)

To equate the two situations is frankly trying to say an apple is an orange. Google is a company that tries to be a good business, not only to people but the environment. Rather than the one ton business crushing machine that MS is. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19935002 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:20:11 EDT Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19932454 RadioDoc :
said by firephoto See Profile :

said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Do you really know where your information is?
I sure do. And what's out in the open is there because I let it be there. A person is crazy to think that anyone that wants you info doesn't have it already.
Suit yourself. But don't use that as justification for blindly trusting any corporation.
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Are you also saying Google isn't a monopoly because they haven't been convicted of being one? Google got where they are by acquiring the companies and resources they needed to improve and gain market share to dominate the market. If MS and Yahoo want to do the same thing I don't see the the difference.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19932423 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:53:46 EDT Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19932354 firephoto :
said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Do you really know where your information is?
I sure do. And what's out in the open is there because I let it be there. A person is crazy to think that anyone that wants you info doesn't have it already.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19932354 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:41:22 EDT Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19932306 RadioDoc : People use google because they ran just about everyone else out of the business.

I don't really care what they do, or Microsoft for that matter. They are both for-profit entities and would not think twice to sell you for a nickel if they bought you for a penny.

Google has their "search bar" inserted into the installers of more and more online applications. It installs by default. This is not a good thing. You can continue to defend them as some sort of benevolent entity but behind the scenes it is all about the money. Do you really know where your information is?
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Microsoft wants to buy millions of yahoo users and point them at their search engine and their advertisers and their products.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19932169 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:13:09 EDT Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19932116 TKJunkMail :
said by rahvin112 See Profile :

They may have purchased Doubleclick (which BTW isn't final yet) making them the number one advertiser, but they became the number 1 search on their own.
LOL. See here: »www.seobythesea.com/?p=64

And then look for these companies they BOUGHT:
Outride in 2001
Applied Semantics in 2003
Kaltix in 2003
Transformic, Inc. in 2006

And these are just the ones I could dig up in a few minutes.

And as Jerry Seinfeld says: "Not that there is anything wrong with that".
But I get a kick out of all those who somehow think Google is the personification of all that is good and honest and public spirited. Guess what people, they got where they are the same way every other company did - by being ruthless businessmen devoted to totally dominating their market and becoming a monopoly just like any other business.
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Above all though, Google is NOT a monopoly. MS is a convicted monopolist that is trying to extend that monopoly to other areas. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19932045 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:55:08 EDT Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19931964 firephoto : What companies make them then number one search engine? My google mail doesn't make them number one in search and neither does google earth or sketchup or picassa or doubleclick or anything other than their search.

They are number one at the search and they make money on advertising due to that search. Microsoft has a search portal, advertising, hopefully some revenue. Does buying another search portal with advertising and revenue give them the chance to be better at it? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19931964 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:43:19 EDT Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19931869 TKJunkMail :
said by firephoto See Profile :

Microsoft is trying to buy their way into a competitive position in the search engine area rather than just offer something that people want to use. Google started out as nothing and made something that people found useful and it made them successful.
And Google did it by buying up dozens(hundreds ?) of companies to get where they are. They are no different than Microsoft.
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Microsoft is trying to buy their way into a competitive position in the search engine area rather than just offer something that people want to use. Google started out as nothing and made something that people found useful and it made them successful.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19931838 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:26:36 EDT Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19931158 RadioDoc : I thought the same thing: Google finally has the potential for some real competition and the first thing they do is try to kill the deal. Is not that precisely what Microsoft was accused of doing?

I never bought into the benevolent caretaker of the Internet PR Google has cloaked itself with. They control far too much information and practically all of the online ad market. They are awash in other people's money and while I like some of their products the real Google is starting to show through the PR veneer. If they could truly compete they wouldn't be trying this BS.
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IMO - allowing the merger and having Google challenge Microsoft's desktop will achieve more for the market than having Google spoon-feed Yahoo! some deals to torpedo the merger. If that happens, Google and Microsoft keep their respective positions and we lose.

I don't hate Microsoft or Windows but I truly didn't think the Vista egg was possible. Since Vista and Windows ME are of different lineage how could Microsoft lay a "Window ME"-like egg with Vista?!?!?

Someone needs to step in and make them pay with 20 or 30% market share drop. That would shake Microsoft's foundation and maybe they wouldn't "innovate" so much as to create a pile like Vista in the future. Imagine, taking a PC with 1GB of RAM that runs XP really well and have it pant and struggle to run Vista. That's what I call a fat, bloated pile.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19931055 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:23:29 EDT Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19930680 TKJunkMail : What a load of BS thrown out by Google's mouthpiece in his blog entry ( »googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/···net.html ).

To listen to this whining from a Google officer is kind of sickening. This is the same Google that has swallowed up dozens of companies since their start. And to complain about Microsoft doing the same thing is the height of hypocrisy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19930680 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:11:17 EDT