nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to rody_44
Re: No HD Boxes
said by rody_44  :verizon boxess are unique. cox, charter, comcast, timewarner and about every other cable company they are the same box. im sure tooling has to be changed that isnt going to be changed before they fill the big orders and wont cater to a small cable company like verizon. Surely not - VZ is a huge part of Moto's business - they are the sole STB provider for VZ....
1M+ FiOS TV customers in a little over 2 years of availability, each customer averages 3 STB's - do the math. |
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rody_44
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA
 ·Comcast
4 edits | your really believe verizon is a big provider for motorola. ide be willing to bet they are small time for motorola compared to other providers . a million subs isnt even a dot on the map. remember comcast alone probably has 3 times that amount of motorola modems. take one of the smallest providers of motorlola equipment. ide be willing to bet service electric migfht qualify for that award. ide also be willing to bet they are a better customer since they only use motorla STB and modems. even at three per home thats still only 3 million boxes tops. comcast probably has that in motorola modems alone. couple that with the fact motorola has to make a seperate box and your left with the wait they have. SOL since they didnt plan ahead. BOTTOM LINE is motorola is meeting the deadline. its the additional boxes they wont provide. and verizon doesnt have the purchasing power to warrant them to cater to them. shit in all the tiems comcast has been out of hd boxes it never actually reaches more then maybe 2 days and thats because a local clerk screwed up. comcast would just call them up and say it isnt acceptable and motorola would just say we will get it done. and get it done is what would be accomplished. |
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acvthree
@verizon.net | reply to Inside Fios
I would be willing to bet that Verizon, as a total customer and not just STBs, would be considered a very important customer. Given Motorola financials, I'll also bet that Verizon is becoming a more important customer every day.
Al |
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rody_44
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA
·Comcast
4 edits | if they were motorlola would be changing the line and build the boxes. thats just the way it is. the better the customer the better the service. when it comes to above the contract boxes its a how much pull you have and how much motorloa values you as a customer. small customers get small results. take away the STB and i cant think of any other thing verizon uses motorola for. so ide say verizon is a dot on motorolas balance sheet. |
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kes601
join:2007-04-14
Virginia Beach, VA
| said by rody_44 : if they were motorlola would be changing the line and build the boxes. thats just the way it is. the better the customer the better the service. when it comes to above the contract boxes its a how much pull you have and how much motorloa values you as a customer. small customers get small results. take away the STB and i cant think of any other thing verizon uses motorola for. Cell phones. |
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rody_44
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA
2 edits | yea cell phone is one. i guess it isnt enough tho. how many of verizons cell phone are made by motorola. i have no clue but it clearly isnt enough. |
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| said by rody_44 :yea cell phone is one. i guess it isnt enough tho. how many of verizons cell phone are made by motorola. i have no clue but it clearly isnt enough. How about ONTs and wireless infrastructure equipment too. |
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rody_44
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA | i dont know what they use. but its clear its not enough. |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Sweden | reply to Inside Fios
Probably has a lot to do with the fact they're giving out free HDTVs to people. |
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rody_44
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA | no it comes down to they screwed up and ddnt order enough. no excuses to be made just facts. |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| said by rody_44 : no it comes down to they screwed up and ddnt order enough. no excuses to be made just facts. It's not an excuse. It's the reason.
-Tzale |
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afiggatt
join:2007-07-12
Sterling, VA
| reply to Inside Fios
You know, one temporary work-around for the shortage of HD boxes is for Verizon to temporarily turn off the encryption for the national HD channels from 825 to 846. Or for some of them. Then people with HD TVs or STB tuners with a clear QAM tuner could get those channels, although they would be buried at odd QAM channel numbers such as 85, 86, 103. Of course, I'm sure there are contractual reasons that prevent this and also Verizon would not want to establish a precedent of people getting used to getting these channels without a STB/DVR or cable card setup. Figure they would have to leave the premium HD movie channels encrypted.
There is that much of a cable theft problem here because people need an active ONT at the house to get the channels in the first place, so only active subscribers can access those channels. I would not expect Verizon to do this; just a wacky thought for the day. |
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knarf829
join:2007-06-02 | It always struck me as a little odd that the terrestrial service with pretty much the smallest chance of unsubscribed people stealing the service is the most restrictive as far as encrypting channels. |
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| reply to afiggatt
said by afiggatt : You know, one temporary work-around for the shortage of HD boxes is for Verizon to temporarily turn off the encryption for the national HD channels from 825 to 846. Or for some of them. That would probably violate Verizon's contracts with some of the content providers. |
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darcilicious
Cyber Librarian
Premium
join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR
·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
| said by DMS1 :said by afiggatt : You know, one temporary work-around for the shortage of HD boxes is for Verizon to temporarily turn off the encryption for the national HD channels from 825 to 846. Or for some of them. That would probably violate Verizon's contracts with some of the content providers. Yes, typically when matters come down encrypted content (and/or DRM'd content), it's the content "owner"/licensing agent that is requiring it, not the "reseller" (like Apple for iTunes content or Verizon for cable video content). |
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acvthree
@verizon.net
| reply to Inside Fios
This would be SO much easier if we just had CE STBs. If Sony was out, you get a Samsung.
Somebody should come up with a way of removing the encryption from the devices. Then we would not be at the mercy of the cable provider.
Al |
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darcilicious
Cyber Librarian
Premium
join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR
·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
| said by acvthree :
Somebody should come up with a way of removing the encryption from the devices. Then we would not be at the mercy of the cable provider.
If I'm not mistaken, you've got it backwards.
The content arrives encrypted, the devices decrypt it. There is no "encryption" on the devices and if you removed the decryption you wouldn't be able to view encrypted content.
And again, encrypted content is not necessarily what the cable providers want, it's just what they are (more or less) forced to agree to in order to distribute the content. |
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afiggatt
join:2007-07-12
Sterling, VA
| reply to darcilicious
said by darcilicious :Yes, typically when matters come down encrypted content (and/or DRM'd content), it's the content "owner"/licensing agent that is requiring it, not the "reseller" (like Apple for iTunes content or Verizon for cable video content). Granted. But when Verizon had that free preview 4 day period for the movie package channels, back in December IIRC, they turned off the encryption for all the Showtime, Starz, TMC, Encore, Sundance SD and HD channels. So anyone with a clear QAM tuner and a TV hooked up during that period could get Starz HD on QAM channel 110, Showtime and TMC HD on QAM 118. Many of the SD movie channels were lumped together on 2 or 3 QAM channels, I forget where.
For the free preview, Verizon obviously had permission with those channels to make them available to all subscribers. I'm guessing that turning off the encryption meant that the STBs would display those channels without having to be told to activate them.
So in terms of the technology, turning off the encryption for some of the national HD channels would probably be easy to do. There are cable systems out there that intentionally provide HD Theater and other educational/nature/science HD & SD channels in the clear, but they obviously have permission to do so. It is the contract requirements by the content providers for copy protection and control of who gets the channels as well as precedence that would make Verizon turning off encryption for any of the national HD channels unlikely. Like I said, just a wacky though for the day as one work-around for the current shortages of HD boxes. |
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knarf829
join:2007-06-02 | reply to acvthree
said by acvthree :
Somebody should come up with a way of removing the encryption from the devices. Then we would not be at the mercy of the cable provider. It's called a TiVo with CableCards. |
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Anon101
@verizon.net
| reply to knarf829
I just happen to work for the company. Initially the parts were shipped by freighter, then demand got so high for the boxes,the parts were air shipped to meet the demand so the boxes could put be together. Demand didnt slow and then it hit manufacturing and they couldnt keep up. I posted as an anon to lazy to sign up and don't really frequent the board enough |
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