Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression in Netgear

Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression in Netgear http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19934925 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:56:59 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:56:59 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20281699 mikepaul : I got a remote control switch and so far (2 days) it works OK.

»www.amazon.com/Koolatron-IR-Remo···006II49A

The programming wasn't a snap, but since the switch was responding to ALL IR traffic I needed to set it to just use the PowerToggle event my Logitech 360 remote downloaded from the support site. The button on the top of the switch makes a more convenient on/off switch for rebooting the bridge than reaching around and pulling the plug when it disconnects, so if I do experience trouble it's at least more convenient.

Still hoping for a firmware update that keeps the bridge going 24/7/365 though...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20281699 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:22:22 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20234095 anon : I was able to find an executable (ConfigAssistant.exe) on the disc, but had the benefit(?) of windows. That utility allowed me to change the ip address of the units to be compatible with my network and then I could browse the admin web gui directly at the new ip. Hope this is helpful.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20234095 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:35:27 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222882 David803sc : I just picked up two of these today and have all macs how do I connect to the web interface for configuration and firmware upgrade? the CD it came with says launch the index.htm file on the CD that file does not exist any help would be appreciated thanks?
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said by mozerd

said by Mediaman

So who then does manufacture an 802.11N / 5ghz / Gigabit wireless access point that has a Properly implemented MIMO system. ?

mozerd...

What is your opinion on the LinkSys lineup ( eg WAP4400N or WRVS4400N) with respect to 'properly implelemented MIMO' ??

I note that unit, while not 5 GHZ, it does have advantages over the WNHDE111 in that it has gigbit ports and operates at 802.11g as well as 801.11n... but I am unclear if it has a poor or good MIMO implementation. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20212821 Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:04:27 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20165607 flunkout : I'm in the same situation as you, mikepaul. Hopefully someone will answer whether this product would be upgradeable to the final 802.11n spec. $200 is a lot to spend on a product that may not be fully compatible.

I was hoping that the 802.11n spec would have been finalized by now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20165607 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:51:39 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20140339 mikepaul :

said by ANSWER :

NEtworking Enthusiasts,

This is Som Choudhury, Product Line Manager of Advanced Wireless from NETGEAR .

...

The WNHDE111 is 802.11n Draft 2.0 certified by WiFi Alliance.

...

-Som

Hi. I've had the WNHDEB111 kit since this past Saturday.

The troubling part of my purchase decision was that the logo seen on other Netgear packages, the one I read about that indicated upgradeability to the 802.11N Final Spec, was missing from the WNHDEB111 package. Is that logo specific to routers, or is there another reason it's missing?

The two units have exhibited the disconnect problem documented on the firmware download page, but work better when not in Auto mode. However, I still have odd issues, like using the Configuration utility to log in to the bridge unit attached to my Xbox 360 and having it crash after submitting the password. It came right back after pulling the plug, but this does make me worry.

Is antenna orientation important? The two units are on the same floor, separated by 22 feet and two walls. I have them parallel to each other, but is that optimal?

My HD streaming is to the Xbox 360, so a gigabit NIC isn't a big deal now, but if you were to think about upgrading that for next year's model, I do have gigabit in the PC near the 360 and wouldn't mind sharing the connection.

Thanks...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20140339 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:46:11 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20118214 higginst : Review just posted:
»www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/···0333/96/

Actually does pretty good for maximum throughput.
Not so much for distance.
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said by Mediaman

So who then does manufacture an 802.11N / 5ghz / Gigabit wireless access point that has a Properly implemented MIMO system. ?

For the consumer market no single OEM has yet produced 5Ghz gear utilizing MIMO properly based on my experiences so far. IMO, currently the only CHIPSET that incorporates the MIMO technology properly is called the AGN400 and that chipset has been frozen by Qualcomm due [EDIT] to what I suspect are legal issues. Hopefully those legal issues may be resolved soon.
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said by mozerd

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it sound to me like the Netgear WNHDEB111 has implemented a Typical Smart Antenna System ... which IMO is why you're not going to get the performance that many should be able to get with a Properly implemented MIMO system.

So who then does manufacture an 802.11N / 5ghz / Gigabit wireless access point that has a Properly implemented MIMO system. ???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20099757 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:03:17 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20089089 anon : Just to let everyone know new firmware released as of 2/28/08
WNHDE111 Firmware Version 1.2.7_1.0.1

Published Feb. 28, 2008

New Features & Bug Fixes: For the latest troubleshooting, see the WNHDE111 Support Page. Recent changes include:

Cannot Connect Gaming Console

Troubleshooting Wireless Products

Improving Wireless Range

Fixed unstable wireless connection issues with Intel Centrino 4965AGN 802.11n adapter.
Fixed javascript error in access point "Advanced Wireless Settings" page
Fixed the bug where the access point "Logs" page sometimes takes long time to display or time out
Some other minor web GUI bug fixes
Known Issues

In 11n mode, WEP or TKIP-only WPA-PSK do not get high throughput, as it's not recommended by the 11n spec. Recommend to run WPA mixed mode, or WPA2 only.
In Safari web-browser, a few of the bridge Web GUI's pages cannot be displayed completely: The table in Status category's "Wireless", "Logs", "Statistics" and "WISH sessions" pages are not displayed.
Reason: This is because the old Safari browser does not support XML format HTML display. Upgrading to the new Safari version should get it to work.
Centrino ABG adapter on some PCs might not detect the AP through a Scan, manually setting the SSID and security will work.
In noisy environment and with heavy traffic, the WNHDE111 bridge occasionally disconnects from the WNHDE111 access point for a few seconds and reconnects to the AP. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20089089 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:36:30 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20060562 Mediaman :

said by Cliff Zinphron :

I bought one of these as Best Buy as well. Best damn piece of networking equipment I've ever bought for my home! I stream HD Divx files to my XBox 360 like a champ. Huge files mind you. I haven't hooked it up to my notebook to test speeds, but I don't really care its the lolcat's meow.

Just curious, what type of 5GHz network card to you have in your laptop?

I have an Intel 2200bg (2.4 GZ) which I know cannot work... thinking of a WDNA3100 might be a good choice.
»www.netgear.com/Products/Adapter···100.aspx]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20060562 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:28:04 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20035417 mozerd :

said by ANSWER :

This is Som Choudhury, Product Line Manager of Advanced Wireless from NETGEAR .

Multiple spatial streams make use of multiple paths to send multiple streams of data. This effectively doubles the maximum throughput possible compared to G wireless which has single stream. Also using channel bonding 40 MHz channel it doubles the speed once again. 801.11n also enhances the MAC efficiency.

The WNHDE111 is 802.11n Draft 2.0 certified by WiFi Alliance.

The objective of the WNHDE111 device is to do multiple 1080p HD streams (typically 2-3)typically 20 Mbps each throughout a single family home. If you are close enough in a single room, you will get the benefit of over 100 Mbps with gigabit ports. But you will see as you move out from the source, the effective TCP or UDP wireless throughput typically goes below 100 Mbps in any 802.11n gear and hence putting in gigabit ports on this device currently is an overkill unless later generation of 802.11n supports 450 Mbps or 600 Mbps Maximum PHY rate.

Based on my experiences implementing wireless systems in the field MIMO technology properly implemented has the following characteristics:

Properly implemented MIMO systems divide a data stream into multiple unique streams, each of which is modulated and transmitted through a different radio-antenna chain at the same time in the same frequency channel. By taking advantage of multi-path, reflections of the signals, each MIMO receive antenna-radio chain is a linear combination of the multiple transmitted data streams. The data streams are separated at the receiver using MIMO algorithms that rely on estimates of all channels between each transmitter and each receiver.

Each multi-path route can be treated as a separate channel creating multiple virtual wires over which to transmit signals. Properly implemented MIMO employs multiple, spatially separated antennas to take advantage of these virtual wires created by multi-path and transfer more data. In addition to multiplying throughput, range is increased because of an antenna diversity advantage, since each receive antenna has a measurement of each transmitted data stream.

With Properly implemented MIMO systems, the maximum data rate per channel grows linearly with the number of different data streams that are transmitted in the same channel.

A Properly implemented MIMO system is Not a Typical Smart Antenna System -- consider the following:

Typical one-dimensional smart antenna wireless systems sometimes use a combination of beam-forming to focus the transmitted signal energy, and receive combining or receive diversity to capture the strongest signal. Beam-forming may provide better range in certain applications, but serious issues include the creation of hidden nodes, a reduction in the number of clients that can be supported, and power consumption requirements that limit the number of transmit chains. In receive diversity solutions, the diversity antenna switches between multiple antennas to receive the strongest signal and improve reliability, but since there is no additional signal processing the quality of the signal remains the same. Similarly, while receive combining can process signals from multiple antennas to accommodate the affects of fading and multi-path, neither technique increases data rates or capacity.

And from reading your commentary it sound to me like the Netgear WNHDEB111 has implemented a Typical Smart Antenna System ... which IMO is why you're not going to get the performance that many should be able to get with a Properly implemented MIMO system.
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This is Som Choudhury, Product Line Manager of Advanced Wireless from NETGEAR .

Multiple spatial streams make use of multiple paths to send multiple streams of data. This effectively doubles the maximum throughput possible compared to G wireless which has single stream. Also using channel bonding 40 MHz channel it doubles the speed once again. 801.11n also enhances the MAC efficiency.

The WNHDE111 is 802.11n Draft 2.0 certified by WiFi Alliance.

What we are talking about is the path loss as you move away from the source and at distance what the actual throughput is. If you look at any material on wireless, the effective throughput goes down with distance. This is plain simple physics. This will happen with or without MIMO. As I explained earlier, the maximum 300 Mbps is the max PHY rate with the effective throughput typically 50-60% of the PHY rate.

The objective of the WNHDE111 device is to do multiple 1080p HD streams (typically 2-3)typically 20 Mbps each throughout a single family home. If you are close enough in a single room, you will get the benefit of over 100 Mbps with gigabit ports. But you will see as you move out from the source, the effective TCP or UDP wireless throughput typically goes below 100 Mbps in any 802.11n gear and hence putting in gigabit ports on this device currently is an overkill unless later generation of 802.11n supports 450 Mbps or 600 Mbps Maximum PHY rate.

I will request you to look at an interesting white paper on Aruba website to learn more about wireless-N.

»www.arubanetworks.com/pdf/techno···.11n.pdf

Thanks

-Som]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20014872 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:58:09 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19993811 mozerd :

said by meowBB

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If it cannot achieve 100Mbit wireless throughput even in close range, 100Mbit ethernet port is enough. That maybe the reason.

And the real point is IF it cannot achieve 100Mbit wireless throughput THEN Netgear failed to properly implement MIMO technology for this expensive gear.
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said by ender9

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Doesn't that make the WNHDE111's completely useless as far as MIMO data rates go assuming every other device on the network is Gigabit and high-end? I mean, the data can only move as fast as the slowest part. Am I missing something here?

If this is the case, does anyone know of any 802.11n MIMO gear that does not have this bottlenecking problem?

Yes the WNHDE111 is inhibited for the reasons that I have already articulated.

IT is difficult to compare Apples to Apples in this instances because the WNHDE111 is unique in it's class of gear -- hopefully in a couple of months the other Vendors may release similar product to the WNHDE111 or I am hoping that Netgear wakes up and improves the WNHDE111 by adding the Gig Ports.
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Netgear's WNHDEB111 HD/Gaming 5GHz Wireless-N Networking kit says the wireless AP and bridge have 6 antenna's with MIMO abilities giving speeds up to 300Mb/s if *I believe* using 2x2 MIMO, yet the ethernet interfaces are 10/100 ports.

Doesn't that make the WNHDE111's completely useless as far as MIMO data rates go assuming every other device on the network is gigabit and high-end? I mean, the data can only move as fast as the slowest part. Am I missing something here?

If this is the case, does anyone know of any 802.11n MIMO gear that does not have this bottlenecking problem?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19988315 Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:36:37 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19979045 anon : I'd love to get a few of these I have a RangeMax 240 router, any upgrade suggestions would be appreciated. I need to stream HD 1080p to multiple HTPCs in a 5000 Square Foot house, with a Home Theater in the basement as well. Any help would be appreciated. In addition I'm in a mixed mode enviroment, 802.11g, g+ and the 240 stuff]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19979045 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:36:36 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19973936 Anav : A long winded effort by an enganeer, to state use the 1/3 rule for wifi throughput (54=18, 108=36). In the case of "N" its more like 1/4 (300=75). For marketing reasons companies always quote two way throughput, and lets face it, we usually are asking one way throughput (how fast can I download etc...). The rest is standard losses due to wiring, propogation and so forth.

As far as expense, mozerd, your forgetting that in terms of volumes it can be expensive. Taken on one unit, an extra $3 may seem small potatoes, but companies looking at 500,000 units ....... well I think you get the picture.
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said by ANSWER :This is Som Choudhury, Product Line Manager of the Advanced Wireless group at NETGEAR. Here are a few answers to the questions and issues raised on this forum.

4) Few secrets about WiFi is the 54 Mbps and 300 Mbps you see on all products are the maximum PHY (physical layer) rate. The actual TCP/UDP throughput (which we call the actual payload removing the overhead of packet header, correction bits and so on) is usually half and then it falls with distance. This is the physical nature of any Wireless. The bandwidth falls with distance from the source. Case in point, take your existing Wireless-G AP. It says 54 Mbps in the box, but you will be glad if you get 20 Mbps at close distance and 10 Mbps across 2 rooms and lucky to get 2 Mbps in your corner bedroom.

Gig ports are expensive and if you look at the true value of the product in replacing cat5 cables running from one end of the house to another, 10/100 ports do the job for your high performance gaming and streaming multiple HD videos. Gig ports will give you over 10/100 speeds at close distance, which implies you could just simply wire it up with an ethernet cable.

I find some of your commentary to be self-serving:

Network transmissions can only be as fast as their slowest link, since there is no way for data to pile-up somewhere if one leg of the journey tried to move faster, and the slowest link in any data chain that includes the WNHDEB111 is its 10/100 LAN port. Data cannot [and will-not] move faster than 100Mbps because that is the speed at which attached devices communicate with the WNHDEB111. So a GIG port is important to have. And Gig ports *today* are not expensive relative to how expensive they have been in the past.

Since the WNHDEB111 is 'N' gear and supports MIMO then I have to wonder where you are comming from insofar as the WNHDEB111 is concerned -- IF an effective MIMO implementation is factored in THEN some of your arguments IMO are flawed insoafr as range and througput is concerned. This topic is based on the WNHDEB111 and not other non-MIMO technologies.

If properly implemented -- Explicitly what differentiates MIMO from all other technologies is that MIMO requires not only multiple antennas and radios on both the transmit and receive sides of the link but also the ability to do spatial multiplexing.

Spatial multiplexing allows for the transmission of multiple distinct data-stream's over multiple radios in the same band at the same time, effectively doubling [or tripling] data throughput.

A proper and effective implementation of MIMO Technology should be capable of listening to multiple signals simultaneously. So if any one of those signals is disrupted, the GOOD MIMO gear automatically maintains your network connection and throughput while at the same time ALSO extending your range within your home or small-office.

After reading your commentary its apparent to me that Netgear's MIMO implantation is flawed -- I now will not consider the Netgear WNHDEB111 kit.
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Thanks for your detailed reply. I am glad a vendor is clear and forward with real information.

I am still considering of buying this product. But one thing I'd like to see is more wired ports on the unit. Saves a separate switch when connecting a bunch of nearby machines to a wireless network. I think the unit already has switch circuitry on it, just need more ports.

Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19964151 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:23:08 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19963605 anon : This is Som Choudhury, Product Line Manager of the Advanced Wireless group at NETGEAR.

Here are a few answers to the questions and issues raised on this forum.

1) 2.4 GHz has only 3 non overlapping channels and a number of devices - neighboring APs, cordless phones, bluetooth devices, microwave ovens all using the 2.4 GHz ISM band. so realistically because of all these interference sources, it is very difficult to sustain a HD video at a high bandwidth using 2.4 gHz frequency. SD Video might be okay, but you cannot get assured HD throughput guaranteed 99.99% of the time as you cannot expect all the devices to be off when you are watching a HD movie.

2) Compared to 2.4, 5 GHz has more number of channels and much less interference sources. Typically it is a few 5.8 Ghz cordless phones that operate on these frequencies. 5 gHz APs in home are still uncommon. Most importantly, there are several non-overlapping channels and hence the AP can switch channels to get better interference free connection.

3) On the issue of Gig ports vs. 10/100 ports - The goal of the product is to stream a minimum of 1 HD 1080p HD stream throughout a single family home. Typically, you should be able to do 2-3 depending on distance from your router to the media devices in your living room. Now each 1080p takes 20 Mbps bandwidth worst case. So you are looking at streaming 20-60 Mbps throughout the home. Your wireless is still the limiting factor in this scenario and not the 10/100 Mbps port on the bridge. I will explain why!

4) Few secrets about WiFi is the 54 Mbps and 300 Mbps you see on all products are the maximum PHY (physical layer) rate. The actual TCP/UDP throughput (which we call the actual payload removing the overhead of packet header, correction bits and so on) is usually half and then it falls with distance. This is the physical nature of any Wireless. The bandwidth falls with distance from the source. Case in point, take your existing Wireless-G AP. It says 54 Mbps in the box, but you will be glad if you get 20 Mbps at close distance and 10 Mbps across 2 rooms and lucky to get 2 Mbps in your corner bedroom.

Gig ports are expensive and if you look at the true value of the product in replacing cat5 cables running from one end of the house to another, 10/100 ports do the job for your high performance gaming and streaming multiple HD videos. Gig ports will give you over 10/100 speeds at close distance, which implies you could just simply wire it up with an ethernet cable.

Hope this explains.

Best Regards

-Som]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19963605 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 13:28:55 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19958320 SouthernLCC : AMEN! I was interested in using it as an Access point. But why only 10/100? Makes very little since on an N product.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19958320 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:36:25 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19955951 mozerd :

said by stephenju

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I just remember that I have a pair of 5.8GHz wireless phones. Does that mean this kit will not work in my house?

If the WNHDEB111 works as it should you should not have any issues under normal circumstances.

My interest in asking chucko was to determine if s/he may have had other stuff using the same 5.8 GHz frequency.

If the Netgear WNHDEB111 works as it should then other stuff using the same 5.8 GHz frequency range but different transmit channels 'the gear' should all co-exist. The Key word is if
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Besides, here is what I read from the product documentation:

9. How does it enable HD performance over wireless?

"WNHDE111 uses high performance 6 internal MetaMaterial antennas to be able to stream HD video seamlessly even in harsh wireless environments. It uses the 5 GHz band which is relatively interference free. It uses Smart Antenna technology to listen and adapt to the wireless environment. It also has an enhanced level of Quality of Service (QOS) for jitter-free Video Streaming and lag-free video gaming."

This plus the fact that there are up to 23 available channels in the 5GHZ band would lead a person to believe that there would be minimal issues with other equipment.

I did manually change the channels on my units just to see if it had any positive effect, it did not.

I probably just got a defective unit. Nothing else seems to make sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19953460 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:01:44 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19952647 stephenju : I just remember that I have a pair of 5.8GHz wireless phones. Does that mean this kit will not work in my house?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19952647 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:40:58 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19949701 mozerd :

said by chucko

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Considering that these units are operating in the "interference free" 5GHZ band and are automatically supposed to select the best channel to use I find this to be totally amazing.

As a point of interest in your home environment are you using any wireless phones that transmit in the 5.8 GHz range and or do you have any other wireless gear [baby monitors, remote control devices, security monitors, etc.] that uses the 5.8 GHz range?
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said by ANSWER :

Hi,

I am the Product Line Manager for the WNHDEB111. I am extremely sorry you have had a bad experience.

Would it be possible for you to provide me your contact info.

I will arrange a call with our engineer next week to see what is going on.

You can reach me at som.choudhury@netgear.com

Thanks

-Som

I applaud you for being here and offering to help. Unfortunately, I have already returned the unit to Best Buy for a refund.

It is also unfortunate that your online tech support was unavailable and that your phone support personnel were unable to solve the problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19941404 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:04:25 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19934925 Mediaman : My setup us would be as follows

a) At one end of the house I would have a cable modem and several PC's connected to a wired Netgear router. To this I would add the first WNHDE111 access point.
b) At the other end of the house I would have the other WNHDE111 unit (acting as a bridge), and a PC hardwired to it.

So do I understand that while any N-enabled wireless device would operate at up to 300Mbps, the bridged PC would be restricted to 100Mbps?? Yup, would have bee nice to eliminate the bottleneck with a Gigabit version of this device. That said, the bridged PC would be no more limited that any other wired PC's (resticted by the nono-gigbit router). So gigabit is nioe, but can still be limited by non-gigabit router, switches and perhaps even cat 5 cabling.

Still, point taken - 5 Ghz, 802.11N and Gigabit ports would indeed be the triple threat.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19934925 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:07:38 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19933951 anon : I am disappointed that the Ethernet interface is 10/100 and not Gigabit.
Why offering a 802.11n (300Mpbs) air interface that will:
1) be downgraded to 100 Mbps on the Ethernet side
2) downgrade most of the Gigabit router to fast Ethernet

Mr Netgear, are you planning to release a Gigabit version of your product?

Thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19933951 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:32:48 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19933769 stephenju : I am also very interested in getting this kid to bridge my networks between 2 floors. Can anyone comment on the actual speed you are able to achieve?

Som
It's great to see vendor people eager to make things right. But I hope you can consider registering here for an account so people can find your posts more easily. Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19933769 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:05:46 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19932740 anon : Hi,

I am the Product Line Manager for the WNHDEB111. I am extremely sorry you have had a bad experience.

Would it be possible for you to provide me your contact info.

I will arrange a call with our engineer next week to see what is going on.

You can reach me at som.choudhury@netgear.com

Thanks

-Som]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19932740 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:34:21 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19929400 chucko : Glad your works. Mine totally sucked but maybe it was just defective. Who knows. It sure didn't work and Netgear's tech support was no help at all.

I tried N only, A only, with and without various levels of security. I pretty much tried all the variables to rule out anything I could think of that might be an external factor.

I also tried several locations. No dice.

You can find the signal strength by clicking on the Wireless link in the lower left corner of the screen when logged into the unit that is the Access Point. You don't seem to be able to see the signal strength when logged into a unit that is configured as a bridge.

I'd also be interested if you could check your logs to see if you see any disconnects or link up/link down disassociation type of behavior. These things seem to disconnect and reconnect relatively fast and you might not notice if you didn't look in the logs. You need to look in the logs for the access point and the bridge to see both ends of the problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19929400 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:23:03 EDT Re: WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19928693 anon : I bought one of these as Best Buy as well. Best damn piece of networking equipment I've ever bought for my home!

I stream HD Divx files to my XBox 360 like a champ. Huge files mind you. I haven't hooked it up to my notebook to test speeds, but I don't really care its the lolcat's meow.

I have no clue as to why you'd have so many disconnects. I'm running Wireless-N mode only. WPA2. Trans rate - auto. Channel Width - auto (20-40 MHz) One unit on my lan - ap mode. Other unit downstairs - bridge mode. 63 character pre-shared key. I show it has deauthenticated one time in over 8 days of uptime.

I was about to give up and pay to have a cat5 cable ran, but it was going to be an expensive pain the way my home is built.

Where did you find signal strength? I can't find that ANYWHERE in the web client. Or were you using a 3rd party tool???
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19928693 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:59:03 EDT WNHDEB111 Review and Impression http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19918786 chucko : On paper it looks good - paired access point/bridge units using the 5GHZ band with 802.11a/802.11N technology, 23 available channels, push button setup, automatic QOS, 6 or more internal antennas in each device, yadda yadda yadda.

This product even won the Best of CES Award for home networking at the recently concluded 2008 CES in Las Vegas.

»www.netgear.com/Products/APsWire···111.aspx

But just like any other recent wireless devices from the major manufacturers, the real world shows that again we have a product that over promises and under delivers.

I've been using this product for the last several days, and while the setup was for the most part simple and easy, I'm finding that the units are lockup prone (requiring a power off to bring back to life) and are unable to provide anything even close to their rated speed when separated by 20 feet and a couple of walls in my home. Even though the 5GHZ band is touted as being interference free and has 23 available channels, I noticed that the data rate as shows by the web based administrative console will vary greatly over a short period of time (a minute or so) and the two units seem to become disassociated from each other often, even though the indicated signal strength is high (70%). This makes for a sporadic and uneven web browsing experience. Forget about high res video streaming or anything along those lines.

Netgear obviously let this product out the door way too early - their website does not even have a support page up on it about this product. If you click on the support link here is what you see:

»kbserver.netgear.com/products/WNHDEB111.asp

So I'm boxing it back up and returning it to Best Buy.

Way to go Netgear! Another real winner here! NOT!!!!

Added note:

I left the system up overnight. When I looked at the logs this morning, they showed that the two units lost connection with each other and re-connected 418 times between midnight and 7AM. This is with a 5GHZ Wireless-N connection and a signal strength that is always higher than 70%. Considering that these units are operating in the "interference free" 5GHZ band and are automatically supposed to select the best channel to use I find this to be totally amazing.

What an absolute POS. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19918786 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:52:14 EDT