| Still not bad for less than $1 day For the amount I use the internet compared to something like my car or boat, I say $1 day isn't bad at all. I don't know how we expect these companies to survive charging $15/mo. I too, would like to see 100mb lines running to my home, but for now I am satisfied w/3meg. |
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Camden, TN | said by Go Tarheels:For the amount I use the internet compared to something like my car or boat, I say $1 day isn't bad at all. I don't know how we expect these companies to survive charging $15/mo. I too, would like to see 100mb lines running to my home, but for now I am satisfied w/3meg. well I know that there are other costs other than bandwdith but for $15 for 768 kbps at most user could download 250 GB of data assuming he he'd his connection to download 24/7. That costs at&t around $15-$20. And no one on a 768 kbps conenction is going to do that. It probably costs at&t probably $3 a month in bandwidth for the average 768 Kbps user. |
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said by Go Tarheels: I don't know how we expect these companies to survive charging $15/mo. oh please. let's not start feeling sorry for ma bell / AT&T. they are doing FINE. |
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For the raw data, I would agree, but then you start throwing in the cost of techs, CS, modems, then you are probably closer to $10-$11 per month. |
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I'm not feeling sorry for anyone, I'm just putting the pricing in perspective... |
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join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL
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said by Go Tarheels:For the raw data, I would agree, but then you start throwing in the cost of techs, CS, modems, then you are probably closer to $10-$11 per month. That is part of the cost of doing business. You can't seperate the cost out like that for the consumer. To the consumer they are paying x amount for the data. |
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| Sure you can. With your example of $3 per month for the bandwidth, lets say you charge double that at $6 per month, well now how are you going to pay your employees, health insurance, workman's comp, CPE, R&D, licensing, gas for the vans, etc... You see all of that cost is built into the price of DSL and other services. Of course there is some put on top for profit, but that is the whole reason for being a For-Profit company. |
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
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said by WeSRT4:You can't seperate the cost out like that for the consumer. To the consumer they are paying x amount for the data. That makes no sense at all. My electric bill has a separate energy charge and delivery charge. So does my gas bill. Similarly, my cable bill separates the basic charges (cable box, etc.) from the 'data' (programming) fees.
I have yet to see anyone charge "x amount for the data" except maybe cell phone providers and their absurd 1 cent per kilobyte data fees. The cost of providing you that x amount of data far exceeds the cost of the data itself.
Not to defend the recent price increases but on a long term basis I am still paying far less for 6016/768 today then I was paying for 768/128 in 2000, and that is on a dollar-to-dollar basis unadjusted for inflation.
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join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL Reviews:
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| said by RadioDoc:said by WeSRT4:You can't seperate the cost out like that for the consumer. To the consumer they are paying x amount for the data. That makes no sense at all. My electric bill has a separate energy charge and delivery charge. So does my gas bill. Similarly, my cable bill separates the basic charges (cable box, etc.) from the 'data' (programming) fees. I have yet to see anyone charge "x amount for the data" except maybe cell phone providers and their absurd 1 cent per kilobyte data fees. The cost of providing you that x amount of data far exceeds the cost of the data itself. Not to defend the recent price increases but on a long term basis I am still paying far less for 6016/768 today then I was paying for 768/128 in 2000, and that is on a dollar-to-dollar basis unadjusted for inflation. Let me clarify. Your power bill is x amount of money. It doesn't matter to the consumer what the charges consist of. It is the company's responsibility to figure in the cost of doing business. A company does not need to break out all the costs of doing business. |
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | You must not pay power bills. It certainly DOES matter to the consumer what the charges consist of. Especially in this case where you can have wildly varying bills every month.
Same for my telephone bill. If all I got was a piece of paper saying "pay $30" and an envelope to send it in, I would be rather cranky.
Cable companies advertise teaser rates which do not include the base fees you need to already be paying in order to get the teaser offer. If they did not break it out in the 'fine print' they would be guilty of fraudulent advertising. If you look for the information you need it is there.
There is a big difference between a line item for executive washroom toilet paper and a line item for cable equipment fees.
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WeSRT4
join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL Reviews:
·AT&T Southeast
| said by RadioDoc:You must not pay power bills. It certainly DOES matter to the consumer what the charges consist of. Especially in this case where you can have wildly varying bills every month. Same for my telephone bill. If all I got was a piece of paper saying "pay $30" and an envelope to send it in, I would be rather cranky. Cable companies advertise teaser rates which do not include the base fees you need to already be paying in order to get the teaser offer. If they did not break it out in the 'fine print' they would be guilty of fraudulent advertising. If you look for the information you need it is there. There is a big difference between a line item for executive washroom toilet paper and a line item for cable equipment fees. I don't think you understand my point. I as a consumer don't care about the cost of doing business. The only thing that matters is the bottom line. I am not speaking of long distance charges or other line item charges. What I am referring to is the items that may make up the line item. Such as the cost of maintaining those long distance networks. I just want to know what you are charging me, not what you pay your workforce or how much it cost you to maintain the service. |
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join:2000-05-11 | That's not really the subject of this story. Nowhere is there a charge for workforce or network maintenance. I understand your point; I don't think you understand the root issue here which is "fees below the line".
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WeSRT4
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Mobile, AL | If you scroll up you will see that in the discussion the poster talks about the cost of doing business. That is what started me on my tangent. I wasn't really on topic.  |
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join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | reply to BF69
said by BF69:well I know that there are other costs other than bandwdith but for $15 for 768 kbps at most user could download 250 GB of data assuming he he'd his connection to download 24/7. That costs at&t around $15-$20. And no one on a 768 kbps conenction is going to do that. It probably costs at&t probably $3 a month in bandwidth for the average 768 Kbps user. There are only 2 cost groups. Fixed Cost (which is the cost to service the customer and is the same for all customers and independent of their usage [ie: The cost before they use the connection]) and Variable (the cost of the bandwidth that the customer uses). This latter is the $3/ month figure. The only charge that needs to be added into the fixed cost (ie: increase it) based on usage is to do node splits/bandwidth increases when your aggregate bandwidth usage starts to approach your maximum network capacity. |
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