2 edits | Bob Sullivan - another left wing reporter Great - another left wing reporter with a hate on for capitalism. His book(Gotcha Capitalism) is marketed as some pro-consumer guide but he is just another reporter who is a socialist at heart. Of course, he is willing to plug HIS book and make a lot of money, making him the usual liberal hypocrite.
More discussion on this news clip, Sullivan, and his book here from Jan 29:
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Torrance, CA | There is nothing wrong with capitalism, It's that there isn't a choice to choose something else in this instance ( and don't wait for the govment any time soon). For most products and services we have a choice, but when it comes to cable/phone service we don't really have a choice, it is a perceived choice, but not a real one, unless you go without cable and a phone. Cell service is not much of a choice either. Peace
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said by fAcEtIOUs:Great - another left wing reporter with a hate on for capitalism. His book(Gotcha Capitalism) is marketed as some pro-consumer guide but he is just another reporter who is a socialist at heart. Of course, he is willing to plug HIS book and make a lot of money, making him the usual liberal hypocrite. More discussion on this news clip, Sullivan, and his book here from Jan 29: » To Comcast I'm just ARPU tell me it isn't so ;( take your blinders off!
There are negative aspects of capitalism, you know.
I wonder how many more times the words "move to china" or "communism" will appear in this thread. Bets anyone? 
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said by fAcEtIOUs:Great - another left wing reporter with a hate on for capitalism. wow. you're really defending "unfees"?
no one is arguing limiting the price charged by companies (is that your misguided 'socialist' slam?), just that the price advertised should be THE PRICE plus federal, state, and local taxes required by law. no hiding the true price of a product or service. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:Great - another left wing reporter with a hate on for capitalism. His book(Gotcha Capitalism) is marketed as some pro-consumer guide but he is just another reporter who is a socialist at heart. Of course, he is willing to plug HIS book and make a lot of money, making him the usual liberal hypocrite. So ... reporters are socialists at heart, as are all people trying to make a living in a capitalist republic if what they're selling is contrary to waving the flag. And, of course, all these people are liberals AND hypocrites too. Thanks for clearing that up for me 
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| said by Titus Pullo:So ... reporters are socialists at heart, as are all people trying to make a living in a capitalist republic if what they're selling is contrary to waving the flag. And, of course, all these people are liberals AND hypocrites too. Thanks for clearing that up for me -- You're welcome.
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Logical fallacy of ad hominem attack. The author may be *ALL* of the things you state, it doesn't change the truth of the message he conveys and that is these companies will quote you one price and charge you another disguising the difference as "fees" from a third party.
What part of dishonesty and disingenuous marketing doesn't register with you? There's a difference between capitalism and thievery, right? Or is Laissez-faire capitalism a cute euphemism for thievery? |
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said by Titus Pullo:said by fAcEtIOUs:Great - another left wing reporter with a hate on for capitalism. His book(Gotcha Capitalism) is marketed as some pro-consumer guide but he is just another reporter who is a socialist at heart. Of course, he is willing to plug HIS book and make a lot of money, making him the usual liberal hypocrite. So ... reporters are socialists at heart, as are all people trying to make a living in a capitalist republic if what they're selling is contrary to waving the flag. And, of course, all these people are liberals AND hypocrites too. Thanks for clearing that up for me -- I wish you people would stop making stupid remarks like this. Someone posed a rather difficult question to fAcEtIOUs  and now he gets to ignore it because you gave him an out. |
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Re: Bob Sullivan - another left wing reporter said by clickie:these companies will quote you one price and charge you another disguising the difference as "fees" from a third party. I have no trouble finding what the "Fees" are before signing up. While marketing in general oversimplifies things for the masses, if you want to find out the real cost, it isn't hard to do. "Caveat Emptor" is still a good maxim to follow when buying something.
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I have no problems with Capitalism, but the author. Should consider more liberal gotchas. Like Gotcha freedom aka political correctness or Gotcha taxes where your money is spend, without any accountability. But by far is Gotcha news, where there is an obvious spin towards liberal candidates. etc. Unfees arent right, there should be more honest, but with the liberals modeling behavior who can blame them.
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If I were to call AT&T and ask how much the final bill would be at address x for this particular service, they could not tell me.
And before you claim it is because local taxes vary, try asking for the pre-tax, after "Fee" amount. They can't/won't tell you that either.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:I have no trouble finding what the "Fees" are before signing up. While marketing in general oversimplifies things for the masses, if you want to find out the real cost, it isn't hard to do. You've never dealt with Verizon.
Point me to something on their website showing me what a POTS line with nothing beyond touch tone and local calling will cost, including all fees/"taxes".
This book is kind of old news, no idea why it popped up here today. Here's 36 minutes of examples: »www.npr.org/templates/story/stor···17898418 |
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| said by sporkme:said by fAcEtIOUs:I have no trouble finding what the "Fees" are before signing up. While marketing in general oversimplifies things for the masses, if you want to find out the real cost, it isn't hard to do. You've never dealt with Verizon. I'm a Verizon customer - both landline and wireless.
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| said by fAcEtIOUs:said by sporkme:said by fAcEtIOUs:I have no trouble finding what the "Fees" are before signing up. While marketing in general oversimplifies things for the masses, if you want to find out the real cost, it isn't hard to do. You've never dealt with Verizon. I'm a Verizon customer - both landline and wireless. Awesome, show me all the fees on their website please. |
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| said by sporkme:Awesome, show me all the fees on their website please. Fee information is available from many sources - not just their web site. I call the LOCAL office mgr and get what I need. And I call friends who have Verizon service and can give me info from bill. And I can search web sites like BBR and others to gather what info I need. If you want it, you can get it.
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Morristown, NJ | I'm not just going to trust the "internets" and my home lines do not have an "account manager". Thanks for confirming that this is indeed a scam and that VZ does not publish what the actual price is. |
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Nice... You take on the weakest point in clickie 's argument instead of addressing his far stronger one, thereby totally re-framing the argument...
I haven't seen a dodge that good in awhile. |
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said by sporkme:I'm not just going to trust the "internets" and my home lines do not have an "account manager". Thanks for confirming that this is indeed a scam and that VZ does not publish what the actual price is. I confirmed no such thing. I haven't looked thru their web site to find if fees are there, so I couldn't say whether they are there or not.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:Great - another left wing reporter with a hate on for capitalism. Wow, that statement makes you sound like those African American people who screamed about Cosby talking about the problem of fatherless children...
Instead of actually discussing the content of a valid criticism, you reframe that criticism as something totally different, in this case you call the author a socialist, and totally avoid addressing the valid points presented...
Would you like to try again and actually discuss the issues the author brought up? Or are you so totally blinded by an irrational belief in capitalism that you view any criticism of a system that is light years from perfect as promoting socialism? |
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