fiberguy
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Re: Bob Sullivan - another left wing reporter
While I agree with you, strongly, on your take here - as I often do.. the one thing that I would like to see happen is simple..
Taxes are taxes - those that are paid to the government. Everything else is and should be the actual cost of the service or product.
I for one would like to see a truth in ... X act set up.
If there is a fee that is part of every customer's bill in order to provide the service, then it should be in fact part of the monthly price, and not broken out as a 'fee'..
IE: If there is a "global connection charge" at $2.00, and the base internet price is $29.99, then the real price of the internet service SHOULD be $31.99 because that $2.00 'fee' is an actual cost to deliver the service.
On some levels, I agree with the arguments about the fees. In my opinion, take the grocery store and the produce department (and assume there was tax on it).. if they were to say that a cucumber was $0.49 cents each, + tax + $0.30 cent refrigeration fee, the cost to keep it cold is in fact part of the cost of the product.
Basically, what I'm saying is that I have to agree on "fees", those that are not taxes. I agree that a tax needs to be broken out as it should.. but if it's a fee, ie: part of putting the product out, then it should be part of the price and not broken out.
If they were to break out costs, then I'd love to see them break out the actual line item costs.. CSR, outside tech, inside tech, power, insurance, etc. 
I just think that if it's not a tax, then it's part of the product. What say you? |
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said by factchecker :said by DaveNJ  :Unfees arent right, there should be more honest, but with the conservatives modeling behavior who can blame them. The above, altered, statement is also true... You guys can point fingers at each other when one of the sides actually quits doing what it accuses the other side of doing. Until then, both sides are nothing but hypocrites. I dont think you understood my statement, because if you did, then you could see , not reason to alter it. Adding your need to protect, "liberals" proves my point, that liberals are fascists. They dont accept any criticism. Because they are too weak.. |
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Agreed. |
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s13
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said by morbo :wow. you're really defending "unfees"? no one is arguing limiting the price charged by companies (is that your misguided 'socialist' slam?), just that the price advertised should be THE PRICE plus federal, state, and local taxes required by law. no hiding the true price of a product or service. Well as a very kind member astutely pointed out to me in a post similar to this one, you're a socialist if you don't support unfees. Stop promoting socialism, hippie!!  |
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Kearnstd
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said by KrK :The biggest Myth of all: That we have a "Free Market" economy. We have a economy that likes to trumpet "Free Market" to keep regulations away so they can abuse at will, but there's nothing "Free" about it because a Free Market system ASSUMES that you have unlimited opportunity for competition as it's main check and balance. And in many industries, this simply isn't the case. The Free Market system is as much an unachievable Utopia as the so called Communist Market system. Both are totally impossible to achieve given human nature. the three major forms of running things(capitolism, Socialism, Communism) are all impossible in their most pure forms. because they are run by humans. and lets face it we can be evil greedy creatures when wealth and or power is to had.
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KrK
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People do ask them what the final price is... They have a bad reputation for lying or "being in error..." |
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said by TKJunkMail :Wrong. I'm a retired railroad exec. Back in the day, I believe they called such a person a Robber Baron.  |
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KrK
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said by clickie :Or is Laissez-faire capitalism a cute euphemism for thievery? Apparently, yes.
I guess if I walked into a Bank and waved a Gun and demanded money, I wouldn't be a criminal. I'd be a business entrepreneur!
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The biggest Myth of all: That we have a "Free Market" economy.
We have a economy that likes to trumpet "Free Market" to keep regulations away so they can abuse at will, but there's nothing "Free" about it because a Free Market system ASSUMES that you have unlimited opportunity for competition as it's main check and balance.
And in many industries, this simply isn't the case.
The Free Market system is as much an unachievable Utopia as the so called Communist Market system. Both are totally impossible to achieve given human nature.
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Funny how anyone who stands up for Consumer rights against Corporate interests in pillaging becomes a "Socialist".
Of course, this is nothing new. Back in the day, anyone who stood up against anything a corporation did was labeled a communist, socialist, traitor, anti-American, etc yadda yadda yadda.
Amazing how little some things change.
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Surfinusa
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And people think this site is stupid and is a lie ???
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It is the annoying commercial that has a point.
Wish cable sees the point also. |
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Rickez
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Three Rivers, MA | reply to TKJunkMail
Wrong. I'm a retired railroad exec. = Thats even worse.... Amtrak? even worse!
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Kearnstd
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my issue with fees is these are the only services that can legally get away with this.
Blizzard charges me 15/mo for WoW(well really 14.95, but the point is there). i dont see a charge on my credit card with an extra 10-15 dollars in bullshit fees. now of course your communications stuff is taxed but honestly if they say 39.95 on TV then it should only be 39.95+tax. no other business can advertise one price then add their so called business operation fees afterwards.
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TKJunkMail
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said by sporkme :I still say TK is a retired VZ/Bell Atlantic guy.  Wrong. I'm a retired railroad exec.
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said by moonpuppy :said by TKJunkMail :I confirmed no such thing. I haven't looked thru (sic) their web site to find if fees are there, so I couldn't say whether they are there or not. Then why did you say this: said by TKJunkMail :Fee information is available from many sources - not just their web site. I still say TK is a retired VZ/Bell Atlantic guy. |
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said by TKJunkMail :I confirmed no such thing. I haven't looked thru (sic) their web site to find if fees are there, so I couldn't say whether they are there or not. Then why did you say this:
said by TKJunkMail :Fee information is available from many sources - not just their web site. |
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said by DaveNJ :Unfees arent right, there should be more honest, but with the conservatives modeling behavior who can blame them. The above, altered, statement is also true... You guys can point fingers at each other when one of the sides actually quits doing what it accuses the other side of doing. Until then, both sides are nothing but hypocrites. |
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said by TKJunkMail :Great - another left wing reporter with a hate on for capitalism. Wow, that statement makes you sound like those African American people who screamed about Cosby talking about the problem of fatherless children...
Instead of actually discussing the content of a valid criticism, you reframe that criticism as something totally different, in this case you call the author a socialist, and totally avoid addressing the valid points presented...
Would you like to try again and actually discuss the issues the author brought up? Or are you so totally blinded by an irrational belief in capitalism that you view any criticism of a system that is light years from perfect as promoting socialism? |
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TKJunkMail
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said by sporkme :I'm not just going to trust the "internets" and my home lines do not have an "account manager". Thanks for confirming that this is indeed a scam and that VZ does not publish what the actual price is. I confirmed no such thing. I haven't looked thru their web site to find if fees are there, so I couldn't say whether they are there or not.
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Nice... You take on the weakest point in clickie 's argument instead of addressing his far stronger one, thereby totally re-framing the argument...
I haven't seen a dodge that good in awhile. |
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