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Re: Bob Sullivan - another left wing reporter
Logical fallacy of ad hominem attack. The author may be *ALL* of the things you state, it doesn't change the truth of the message he conveys and that is these companies will quote you one price and charge you another disguising the difference as "fees" from a third party.
What part of dishonesty and disingenuous marketing doesn't register with you? There's a difference between capitalism and thievery, right? Or is Laissez-faire capitalism a cute euphemism for thievery? |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by clickie  :these companies will quote you one price and charge you another disguising the difference as "fees" from a third party. I have no trouble finding what the "Fees" are before signing up. While marketing in general oversimplifies things for the masses, if you want to find out the real cost, it isn't hard to do. "Caveat Emptor" is still a good maxim to follow when buying something.
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| If I were to call AT&T and ask how much the final bill would be at address x for this particular service, they could not tell me.
And before you claim it is because local taxes vary, try asking for the pre-tax, after "Fee" amount. They can't/won't tell you that either.
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said by TKJunkMail :I have no trouble finding what the "Fees" are before signing up. While marketing in general oversimplifies things for the masses, if you want to find out the real cost, it isn't hard to do. You've never dealt with Verizon.
Point me to something on their website showing me what a POTS line with nothing beyond touch tone and local calling will cost, including all fees/"taxes".
This book is kind of old news, no idea why it popped up here today. Here's 36 minutes of examples: »www.npr.org/templates/story/stor···17898418 |
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| said by sporkme :said by TKJunkMail :I have no trouble finding what the "Fees" are before signing up. While marketing in general oversimplifies things for the masses, if you want to find out the real cost, it isn't hard to do. You've never dealt with Verizon. I'm a Verizon customer - both landline and wireless.
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by sporkme :said by TKJunkMail :I have no trouble finding what the "Fees" are before signing up. While marketing in general oversimplifies things for the masses, if you want to find out the real cost, it isn't hard to do. You've never dealt with Verizon. I'm a Verizon customer - both landline and wireless. Awesome, show me all the fees on their website please.  |
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| said by sporkme :Awesome, show me all the fees on their website please. Fee information is available from many sources - not just their web site. I call the LOCAL office mgr and get what I need. And I call friends who have Verizon service and can give me info from bill. And I can search web sites like BBR and others to gather what info I need. If you want it, you can get it.
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sporkme
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Morristown, NJ | I'm not just going to trust the "internets" and my home lines do not have an "account manager". Thanks for confirming that this is indeed a scam and that VZ does not publish what the actual price is. |
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factchecker
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Nice... You take on the weakest point in clickie 's argument instead of addressing his far stronger one, thereby totally re-framing the argument...
I haven't seen a dodge that good in awhile. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by sporkme :I'm not just going to trust the "internets" and my home lines do not have an "account manager". Thanks for confirming that this is indeed a scam and that VZ does not publish what the actual price is. I confirmed no such thing. I haven't looked thru their web site to find if fees are there, so I couldn't say whether they are there or not.
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| said by TKJunkMail :I confirmed no such thing. I haven't looked thru (sic) their web site to find if fees are there, so I couldn't say whether they are there or not. Then why did you say this:
said by TKJunkMail :Fee information is available from many sources - not just their web site. |
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sporkme
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| said by moonpuppy :said by TKJunkMail :I confirmed no such thing. I haven't looked thru (sic) their web site to find if fees are there, so I couldn't say whether they are there or not. Then why did you say this: said by TKJunkMail :Fee information is available from many sources - not just their web site. I still say TK is a retired VZ/Bell Atlantic guy. |
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| said by sporkme :I still say TK is a retired VZ/Bell Atlantic guy. Wrong. I'm a retired railroad exec.
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Rickez
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And people think this site is stupid and is a lie ???
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It is the annoying commercial that has a point.
Wish cable sees the point also. |
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said by clickie :Or is Laissez-faire capitalism a cute euphemism for thievery? Apparently, yes.
I guess if I walked into a Bank and waved a Gun and demanded money, I wouldn't be a criminal. I'd be a business entrepreneur!
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said by TKJunkMail :Wrong. I'm a retired railroad exec. Back in the day, I believe they called such a person a Robber Baron.  |
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KrK
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People do ask them what the final price is... They have a bad reputation for lying or "being in error..." |
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Agreed. |
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fiberguy
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While I agree with you, strongly, on your take here - as I often do.. the one thing that I would like to see happen is simple..
Taxes are taxes - those that are paid to the government. Everything else is and should be the actual cost of the service or product.
I for one would like to see a truth in ... X act set up.
If there is a fee that is part of every customer's bill in order to provide the service, then it should be in fact part of the monthly price, and not broken out as a 'fee'..
IE: If there is a "global connection charge" at $2.00, and the base internet price is $29.99, then the real price of the internet service SHOULD be $31.99 because that $2.00 'fee' is an actual cost to deliver the service.
On some levels, I agree with the arguments about the fees. In my opinion, take the grocery store and the produce department (and assume there was tax on it).. if they were to say that a cucumber was $0.49 cents each, + tax + $0.30 cent refrigeration fee, the cost to keep it cold is in fact part of the cost of the product.
Basically, what I'm saying is that I have to agree on "fees", those that are not taxes. I agree that a tax needs to be broken out as it should.. but if it's a fee, ie: part of putting the product out, then it should be part of the price and not broken out.
If they were to break out costs, then I'd love to see them break out the actual line item costs.. CSR, outside tech, inside tech, power, insurance, etc. 
I just think that if it's not a tax, then it's part of the product. What say you? |
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