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Re: Had to say it....
said by gaforces  :Cutting so many at once draws too much attention to the possibility that that is true, and they will be inspected more thoroughly. i disagree. i now believe that people will be thinking this as a reason that it can't be suspicious, so it's even better! |
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Historyguy
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said by swhx7 :Historically, nations have refrained from cutting communications cables even in wartime. Sorry, but you're wrong here. During WWI, one of the first thing the Brits did was to cut the transatlantic cable from Germany to the United States. Made it easier to spread their version of facts in the war, and also led to even more anger when Germany sent the Zimmerman Note, since they sent it to Mexico over a telegraph line from the German Embassy in D.C. that was paid for by the US gov't earlier in the war.
Go back even further than that, and you'll find plenty of instances of telegraph lines being cut during the Civil War as well. Hitting an enemy's communications are a critical part of wartime strategy, whether internal or external. |
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subthinker
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 Let's think this through. Has anyone seen Paul Allen's mega yacht in the area? Or is it the union leaders who are tired of their jobs being exported? |
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You don't need to cut into a figer cable and they are not using "induction". induction implies and requires a magnetic field, well for the most part it does. There is the technology to read fiber in a method similar to "induction" in that you don't need to cut the cable, and now you don't even need to cut the cable housing. You can park a box next to the fiber or on a cable crawler and "read" the fiber outside the sheath. |
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You have no idea what you are talking about, so just don't start making up rumors.
The ability to "tap" copper and even now fiber is well outside the need to cut into anything.
Heck we could "tap" copper from space years ago, with the assistance of some pretty small ground based equipment.
Lastly, if you cut so many that it raised such a suspicion, that people actually thought you were tapping or cutting lines for a reason, it sort of defeats the covert reason to tap or cut a line. You know that every foot of that line is going to be inspected at some point in the very near future with "cable crawlers". |
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True, however I seem to recall hearing of a case where a U.S. sub intercepted a soviet fiber cable. They didn't cut it, they cut open the sheath, and bent the fibers slightly. Enough to cause light leakage through the fiber wall that could be detected by their equipment to intercept traffic, but not enough to cause detectable degradation by the cable terminal equipment.
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said by elios :even in the 1970s and 80's all they had to do was park a box next to cable and monitor it via induction no cutting needed
Tha article said this is affecting fiber cables and fiber can not be read by induction. For induction to work you need a magnetic field and that means electricity which means copper. |
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to bad they dont have to cut the cable to make it work
even the first wiretap sub didnt so thats out
even in the 1970s and 80's all they had to do was park a box next to cable and monitor it via induction no cutting needed
you want to do this kinda thing with OUT cutting the cable
that kinda lets them know your there |
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gaforces
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| reply to swhx7
Cutting so many at once draws too much attention to the possibility that that is true, and they will be inspected more thoroughly. It could be that someone is in a hurry to get as much questionable monitoring capability, as they can before they are not able to. It shouldn't be that hard to locate a tap unless they are restricted from inspecting in some areas.
Anyways I think it's more likely that this year has had more storms affecting ships in that they are choosing to drag anchor in cable areas instead of floundering onto some reef or shoreline that would damage the ships and put their crews in danger.
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swhx7
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| reply to kados
Historically, nations have refrained from cutting communications cables even in wartime. It harms both sides, and would set a bad precedent. It would be a setback for civilized international relations if this norm has been trashed by a lawless superpower on a mad crusade to dominate an oil-rich region.
The US has at least one submarine that is specifically designed with the capability to tap undersea cables (Google with words: "Jimmmy Carter" submarine cable tap). Presumably there would be an outage during installation of the tap. Also, severing or disabling the cable in one location would create a distraction for a tap to be installed somewhere else. |
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| reply to fireflier
said by fireflier :5 cut lines to be a suspicious statistical anomaly. chance of this happening being 1 in billions (or even trillions at this point). |
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fireflier
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Limbo | reply to kados
Unless lines in that region have historically had this kind of problem, I would consider 5 cut lines to be a suspicious statistical anomaly. |
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Phil
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said by kados :Seriously though, 5 lines now cut? Does this seem a weird coincidence to anyone else? It's far beyond coincidence at this point... |
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kados
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| I was the aliens, they don't want us to spread information all over the world...hhehehe
Seriously though, 5 lines now cut? Does this seem a weird coincidence to anyone else?
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