koitsu
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Re: Sigh...
said by gatorkram  :Why don't companies just put text in their TOS/AUP that states they don't have to do ANYTHING at all to keep you happy, and in fact they hate you. Which is funny, because it didn't used to be that way with providers 15 years ago. The utterly bizarre "anti-customer" corporate attitude is something fairly new (and I'm still baffled by the fact that it grows rather than diminishes). |
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gatorkram
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| I remember when all we had was dial up, and being that dial up, for the most part, didn't limit you to one provider, how nice and accommodating the local guys were, compared to the big boys..
I used to hang out at my ISP sometimes, just to talk with them, and watch all the modem lights blink..
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axus
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| Dialup really was the perfect competitive environment for internet access. The only limiter was your local phone company, pretty much every local zone would have an ISP or 10. Prices dropped to the minimum, and the fittest/most friendly flourished.
The thing dialup had going for it was the phone routing system, so you could dial anywhere that gives the best deal. A modern net connection goes to one place, and you need an account to even get there. Every competitor needs to bring you a separate line to your door, instead of going over one line. Its a shame that line-sharing could not be done in a way to make customers and the line-sharer happy. |
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gatorkram
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| I so wish life could be that simple in the internet provider space..
Of course some will say, if the providers know they have to line share, they will have no incentive to upgrade their lines in the first place..
It seems to me, they already have little to no incentive to do that, and pretty much only roll out better services when they absolutely must.
Sad isn't it?
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espaeth
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| There are some telcos that still have this kind of flexibility on their DSL service. Since DSLAMs just map each DSL connection into ATM PVCs, they can terminate the connection on any other ATM end-point on the same network.
When I lived downtown I was in Qwest territory and was able to order DSL with my choice of ISPs, so I was able to get provisioned to a local ISP that routed me a /29 and provided all kinds of nifty features like shell access on one of their user SunOS machines. |
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Gilitar
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said by koitsu :said by gatorkram :Why don't companies just put text in their TOS/AUP that states they don't have to do ANYTHING at all to keep you happy, and in fact they hate you. Which is funny, because it didn't used to be that way with providers 15 years ago. The utterly bizarre "anti-customer" corporate attitude is something fairly new (and I'm still baffled by the fact that it grows rather than diminishes). Companies like Wal-Mart started this type of corporate attitude by instituting things like absurd return policies. Customers then started demanding more and more for companies to bend over backwards to please them. Now those corporations have back-lashed against the customer. They finally realized it is impossible to make everyone happy, so they no longer even try.
I'm not taking up for the corporate attitude but rather simply explaining where it comes from. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
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That is why I call for one nationwide network that any provider of any service can "lease" to get to any customer in any location that is willing to pay for one of their services. |
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gatorkram
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| said by Skippy25 :That is why I call for one nationwide network that any provider of any service can "lease" to get to any customer in any location that is willing to play for one of their services. I agree %100..
I have many posts, where I talk about how great it would be if anyone could provide me access.
I often compare it to how many different places can sell you web-hosting, or dedicated servers, etc etc etc...
All I really need, is a fiber line going back to my CO I guess, and then some company needs to have equipment there for me to plug into..
To bad it would cost me an arm and a leg, and then some if I wanted to pay for this on my own...
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utahluge
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UTOPIA
UTOPIA
Welcome to the network where I get to choose the provider over my fiber line. (Re: Dialup comment) I have the freedom to choose from a handful of providers. Why do you think Utopia is having such a hard time making its way into new cities?? The ''Big Boys'' are scared out of their pants!! They are doing all they can to force city officials from going with Utopia. If more of us let our cities know we want Utopia then we can make it happen. I know this will only start to break ice in Utah but enough of you push for it in your states I am sure it would quickly grow. |
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o rly
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Re: Sigh...
said by Skippy25 :That is why I call for one nationwide network that any provider of any service can "lease" to get to any customer in any location that is willing to pay for one of their services. At least that's one good thing about the evil UK. BT has one or more DSLAMs in nearly every telephone exchange that they own (something like 5564 exchanges have ADSL out of 5592), and they (obviously) have to wholesale it. This means that I can choose out of over 100 ISPs, and if I don't like them, I can change with minimal downtime.
Speeds are pretty good too - I have 8Mbit down, 832k up and for the most part I get them.
Things should get better when BT finally trundle out ADSL2+ in the next few years (the reason for their lateness being that they're ripping out their whole phone/DSL network and replacing it with a shiny new IP one). |
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espaeth
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said by Skippy25 :That is why I call for one nationwide network that any provider of any service can "lease" to get to any customer in any location that is willing to pay for one of their services. You can get that today. You can order a DSx or OCx circuit from your local telco and have the end point be any carrier or ISP you wish. The problem is nobody but businesses and die-hard end-users are willing to pay for that kind of flexibility. (it comes at a steep price) |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO | Really, thats gives us one nationwide network not controlled by the current kingpins?
I think you missed the entire point and concept of my post. |
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espaeth
Misanthrope
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Minneapolis, MN | Maybe so? Who are you suggesting would be responsible for operating this nationwide network? |
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Skippy25
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Hazelwood, MO | I would suggest 1 to 3 companies that are overseen by the government. |
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espaeth
Misanthrope
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| said by Skippy25 :I would suggest 1 to 3 companies that are overseen by the government. Verizon, ATT, and Qwest are 3 companies that cover the overwhelming majority of the US. They will all sell you data circuits on copper (DS1/3,etc) or fiber (OC3-768) to any destination endpoint you wish. Moreover, the pricing on these connections is regulated by tariffs set by the Public Utilities Commission (the government).
For example, I currently live in an Embarq territory. If I wanted to get a DS3 to Savvis, I could just call up Savvis to order the circuit and they will in turn contact Embarq for the actual delivery of the end-point of the circuit at my house. My monthly bill would only come from Savvis, and they would get charged by Embarq a standard tariff rate set by the PUC.
The network you describe already exists today. |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | reply to Skippy25
If the government controlled it, we'd all have ISDN lines |
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