Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| IMHO..
We need to move on from this issue.
Those who this is ultimately affecting are the extreme..way over the top users who feel that they have the right to everything and anything for one low price.
I..and the vast majority of Comcast customers are very satisfied with our service and expect this company to do whatever it takes to preserve exactly that and to deliver a quality experience for the majority of us..not the minority.
What regular visitors to the comcast forum at this site know is that Comcast has VERY liberal usage policies allowing for upwards of 20Mb speeds with powerboost..as well as VERY generous "caps" exceeding 200 to 300 Gigs per month of downloading.
What we have ALL seen is other isp's who..when pressed to the wall on this issue..have THEN had to state their policies to allow for perhaps only 20 to 30 gigs.
Comcast hasn't done that..but what is being risked here in continuing to press them on this issue is that they will be FORCED to do that. Obviously they don't want to..and haven't...but if this minority is allowed to continue to speak on this issue..and given this continued voice to do so by BBR in the process...then that is most likely exactly what could wind up happening.
Comcast..nor any isp for that matter..does not owe any customer these kinds of speeds and download amounts for this kind of a price on an absolutely unlimited basis 24/7.
These networks have limitations that can cause the service to totally crash for the rest of us..and it is comcasts responsibility to protect us from that which is exactly what they are doing.
This company is more than fair in what they allow the vast majority of us for this kind of price..and I believe are even going above and beyond what they even need to do in the interest of delivering us a very quality product and experience.
If the bandwidth hogs want what they want..then they should seek out other resources and isp's to get that.
Perhaps they should pay for their own unlimted 20,000k pipe that would probably cost them 10,000 or more per month.
WE..as their regular customers..do not owe that to them.
Nor do we want to subsidize their activities any longer.
If they have a problem with this..then move to another isp's territory. Or split their usage up among a second connection.
BBR should STOP promoting their interests which is, in fact..endorsing them. Publicly posting under the guise of "news" workarounds as to how they can get around this only puts yourself in the light of being something that you really shouldn't be yourselves IMHO.
Comcast..keep right on doing what you're doing.
The vast majority of us respect you for it..and appreciate it.
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
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 ·Comcast
| said by Rick  :We need to move on from this issue. Those who this is ultimately affecting are the extreme..way over the top users who feel that they have the right to everything and anything for one low price. I..and the vast majority of Comcast customers are very satisfied with our service and expect this company to do whatever it takes to preserve exactly that and to deliver a quality experience for the majority of us..not the minority. What regular visitors to the comcast forum at this site know is that Comcast has VERY liberal usage policies allowing for upwards of 20Mb speeds with powerboost..as well as VERY generous "caps" exceeding 200 to 300 Gigs per month of downloading. What we have ALL seen is other isp's who..when pressed to the wall on this issue..have THEN had to state their policies to allow for perhaps only 20 to 30 gigs. Comcast hasn't done that..but what is being risked here in continuing to press them on this issue is that they will be FORCED to do that. Obviously they don't want to..and haven't...but if this minority is allowed to continue to speak on this issue..and given this continued voice to do so by BBR in the process...then that is most likely exactly what could wind up happening. Comcast..nor any isp for that matter..does not owe any customer these kinds of speeds and download amounts for this kind of a price on an absolutely unlimited basis 24/7. These networks have limitations that can cause the service to totally crash for the rest of us..and it is comcasts responsibility to protect us from that which is exactly what they are doing. This company is more than fair in what they allow the vast majority of us for this kind of price..and I believe are even going above and beyond what they even need to do in the interest of delivering us a very quality product and experience. If the bandwidth hogs want what they want..then they should seek out other resources and isp's to get that. Perhaps they should pay for their own unlimted 20,000k pipe that would probably cost them 10,000 or more per month. WE..as their regular customers..do not owe that to them. Nor do we want to subsidize their activities any longer. If they have a problem with this..then move to another isp's territory. Or split their usage up among a second connection. BBR should STOP promoting their interests which is, in fact..endorsing them. Publicly posting under the guise of "news" workarounds as to how they can get around this only puts yourself in the light of being something that you really shouldn't be yourselves IMHO. Comcast..keep right on doing what you're doing. The vast majority of us respect you for it..and appreciate it. OR Comcast could build out it's inferstructure to handle oh, lets say 80% of the speeds/bandwidth it offers to it's customers. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | reply to Rick
You don't have respond to these threads nor read them.
I think these articles are reasonable since Comcast did deny it was doing anything. Now, why did they deny it if they don't think it is wrong? |
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gateguy
Premium
join:2001-02-12
Reisterstown, MD
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
| reply to Rick
Here here, well said and all that sort of crap.
Comcast should get rid of the bandwidth hogs BUT they should also stop oversubscribing their service too.
Can't always blame it on the hogs when everyone gets on the internet during the super bowl halftime and cant get more than 50Kbps...
Cuts both ways.
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| reply to moonpuppy
Comcast has always said they use reasonable network management practices and has never said that their service is unlimited.
What they did deny is that they don't block access to any sites. And, they don't.
As for what I do or don't respond to..that is my business.
I believe that my opinion however is shared by the vast majority of comcast users..at least those who's posts I have read. It is the very small..bandwidth hogging..expects everyone else to foot their bill for them..wants everything for nothing crowd..who seems to oppose me however.
And, I guess that's just too bad.
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BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
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February 7th, @11:10AM
| reply to Rick
said by Rick :BBR should STOP promoting their interests (Finally gets up off the floor from laughing so hard) Ahhh, Its good to see you around again Rick. Nice to see all the comedy writers aren't on strike.  |
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
 ·AT&T Midwest
| reply to Rick
What a load of tripe.
Interference in interstate commerce and secretly violating established networking standards in order to save a few bucks on operations (although all this P2P traffic does not seem to be hurting their bottom line any) is bad enough, but endorsing it as some sort of customer-benevolent "feature" is positively absurd.
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espaeth
Misanthrope
Premium
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
 ·voip.ms
·Callcentric
·VoiceStick
·ViaTalk
·Comcast
·Embarq
| reply to pokesph
said by pokesph :OR Comcast could build out it's inferstructure to handle oh, lets say 80% of the speeds/bandwidth it offers to it's customers. Which is skewed by the fact that 90+% of their customers will never drive the network that hard. |
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jimbo48
join:2000-11-17
Hayward, CA
·EarthLink
| reply to Rick
Tell you what- I suffered 6 rate hikes in less than a year from Comcast and saw absolutely NOTHING in return just a bigger bill and finally dumped them. They justified their rate hikes were needed to provide "Additional " enhanced services yet they haven't done a lick of work in my locale in over 10 years.What they did was upgrade a small portion of a low-income area that couldn't afford their inflated product offering to begin with to satisfy their monopoly with the city. They're still using the same outdated wiring from 10-12 years ago. They keep their TOS nebulous so that they can do whatever they want and still conform to their TOS. Their customer service is rude and uncaring the service support is un-responding. It may be different in your area but I relate my own experience so that is the reality for me. I don't want to paint with too broad a brush but what Comcast is doing is not ethical. They advertise and offer "unlimited" service and performance for a price then apply their definition of unlimited and performance (in mouseprint BTW) to mean whatever they want it to be. If they are so generous and forthright, let these "generous" capacities be put into a legal TOS document that they have to abide by as well as the consumer. LMAO it will never happen because they will then have to do what they agreed to. |
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Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
·Cox HSI
·Verizon FIOS
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·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Rick
said by Rick :We need to move on from this issue. Those who this is ultimately affecting are the extreme..way over the top users who feel that they have the right to everything and anything for one low price. As opposed to the industry shills that will excuse everything cable and telcos do. |
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Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to Rick
They USED to advertise their service as unlimited. |
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| said by Dogfather :They USED to advertise their service as unlimited. But they still primarily advertise it as a big fat pipe where you can download all the music and video you can think of faster than you can think of the titles to look for. Same thing.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
·Cruzio Internet
| reply to Rick
said by Rick :Comcast has always said they use reasonable network management practices and has never said that their service is unlimited. What they did deny is that they don't block access to any sites. And, they don't. As for what I do or don't respond to..that is my business. I believe that my opinion however is shared by the vast majority of comcast users..at least those who's posts I have read. It is the very small..bandwidth hogging..expects everyone else to foot their bill for them..wants everything for nothing crowd..who seems to oppose me however. And, I guess that's just too bad. That's funny because every single person I have talked to can't wait to dump Comcast. And it's not just for blocking torrents 
Anyone who has seen my OTA HDTV has asked me how they can set it up so they can stop paying a greedy company who lies to their customers.
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Who of many good things have had your fill even to surfeit,
With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will
We yield, nor shall you have all else as you wish.’
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BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
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February 7th, @11:35AM
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said by RadioDoc :said by Dogfather :They USED to advertise their service as unlimited. But they still primarily advertise it as a big fat pipe where you can download all the music and video you can think of faster than you can think of the titles to look for. Same thing. Around here they advertise themselves as "enlightenment", what ever the farq thats supposed to mean.  |
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
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February 7th, @11:41AM
| I'm just up the Tri-State from you so we get the same commercials. I laugh when I see those...I guess they ran out of "highspeed".
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i1me2ao
join:2001-03-03
TEXAS | reply to Rick
yes they have implied unlimited emails and downoading and enjoying the high speed broadband experience. they still run the dam commercials..
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Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
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February 7th, @11:54AM
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Not as funny as the craptasic ads. Comcast is so bad that Comcastic is a derogatory term nowadays. |
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NGOwner
join:2000-11-21
Leawood, KS
·LINGO
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February 7th, @12:11PM
| reply to RadioDoc
said by RadioDoc :What a load of tripe. Eloquent rebuttal. Insightful (or more like inciteful) comment. Way to contribute to the discussion. Kudos.
said by RadioDoc :Interference in interstate commerce Come again? How exactly is commerce being interfered with? Legitimate commerce completes, maybe at a slower pace, but it does complete. And let's not forget that most of what being "interfered" with (managed is such a better word for what's being done) can't be considered "commerce" even in the most liberal sense of the word.
said by RadioDoc :secretly violating established networking standards Hardly secret and hardly a violation. TOS/AUP states Comcast can manage the network as Comcast sees fit. Conspicuously absent from Comcast's TOS/AUP is the phrase stating Comcast will permit RadioDoc to manage Comcast's network as RadioDoc sees fit.
I absolutely agree with Rick. But sadly, our viewpoint faces a daunting uphill battle in an arena such as BBReports. The audience here is far too skewed in the direction of excessive (or heavy if you prefer) bandwidth usage to be representative/indicative of Comcast's users as a whole.
[NG]Owner
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| reply to Rick
said by Rick :We need to move on from this issue. Those who this is ultimately affecting are the extreme..way over the top users who feel that they have the right to everything and anything for one low price. And this is a fact according to whom, exactly?
said by Rick :I..and the vast majority of Comcast customers are very satisfied with our service and expect this company to do whatever it takes to preserve exactly that and to deliver a quality experience for the majority of us..not the minority. Really Rick? Did you offer a survey or go knocking door-to-door to make that determination? How exactly did you arrive at the conclusion that the vast majority of Comcast subscribers are very satisfied? |
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BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11 | reply to RadioDoc
Yeah I knew that, was mentioning for the out-of-towners. 
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