Comcast Changes TOS In Response To Traffic Shaping Firestorm > IMHO..

said by Rick:

We need to move on from this issue.

Those who this is ultimately affecting are the extreme..way over the top users who feel that they have the right to everything and anything for one low price.

I..and the vast majority of Comcast customers are very satisfied with our service and expect this company to do whatever it takes to preserve exactly that and to deliver a quality experience for the majority of us..not the minority.

What regular visitors to the comcast forum at this site know is that Comcast has VERY liberal usage policies allowing for upwards of 20Mb speeds with powerboost..as well as VERY generous "caps" exceeding 200 to 300 Gigs per month of downloading.

What we have ALL seen is other isp's who..when pressed to the wall on this issue..have THEN had to state their policies to allow for perhaps only 20 to 30 gigs.
Comcast hasn't done that..but what is being risked here in continuing to press them on this issue is that they will be FORCED to do that. Obviously they don't want to..and haven't...but if this minority is allowed to continue to speak on this issue..and given this continued voice to do so by BBR in the process...then that is most likely exactly what could wind up happening.

Comcast..nor any isp for that matter..does not owe any customer these kinds of speeds and download amounts for this kind of a price on an absolutely unlimited basis 24/7.
These networks have limitations that can cause the service to totally crash for the rest of us..and it is comcasts responsibility to protect us from that which is exactly what they are doing.

This company is more than fair in what they allow the vast majority of us for this kind of price..and I believe are even going above and beyond what they even need to do in the interest of delivering us a very quality product and experience.

If the bandwidth hogs want what they want..then they should seek out other resources and isp's to get that.
Perhaps they should pay for their own unlimted 20,000k pipe that would probably cost them 10,000 or more per month.
WE..as their regular customers..do not owe that to them.
Nor do we want to subsidize their activities any longer.

If they have a problem with this..then move to another isp's territory. Or split their usage up among a second connection.

BBR should STOP promoting their interests which is, in fact..endorsing them. Publicly posting under the guise of "news" workarounds as to how they can get around this only puts yourself in the light of being something that you really shouldn't be yourselves IMHO.

Comcast..keep right on doing what you're doing.

The vast majority of us respect you for it..and appreciate it.

said by pokesph:

OR Comcast could build out it's inferstructure to handle oh, lets say 80% of the speeds/bandwidth it offers to it's customers.

said by Dogfather:

They USED to advertise their service as unlimited.

said by RadioDoc:

But they still primarily advertise it as a big fat pipe where you can download all the music and video you can think of faster than you can think of the titles to look for. Same thing.

said by Dogfather:

They USED to advertise their service as unlimited.

said by Rick:

Comcast has always said they use reasonable network management practices and has never said that their service is unlimited.

What they did deny is that they don't block access to any sites. And, they don't.

As for what I do or don't respond to..that is my business.
I believe that my opinion however is shared by the vast majority of comcast users..at least those who's posts I have read. It is the very small..bandwidth hogging..expects everyone else to foot their bill for them..wants everything for nothing crowd..who seems to oppose me however.

And, I guess that's just too bad.

said by gaforces:

That's funny because every single person I have talked to can't wait to dump Comcast. And it's not just for blocking torrents
Anyone who has seen my OTA HDTV has asked me how they can set it up so they can stop paying a greedy company who lies to their customers.

said by Rick:

Comcast has always said they use reasonable network management practices and has never said that their service is unlimited.

What they did deny is that they don't block access to any sites. And, they don't.

said by Rick:

As for what I do or don't respond to..that is my business.
I believe that my opinion however is shared by the vast majority of comcast users..at least those who's posts I have read. It is the very small..bandwidth hogging..expects everyone else to foot their bill for them..wants everything for nothing crowd..who seems to oppose me however.

And, I guess that's just too bad.

said by moonpuppy:

BUT, they did forge packets which they did deny. Not until they were confronted by the evidence did they admit they did that.

Again, that wasn't the point. The point is you hate seeing these posts. If you hate them so much, why respond to them and add more fuel to the fire. We all know your bias and that is your choosing but these stories about what Comcast is or is not doing have merit especially when they are not forthcoming with truthful information.

You don't have to like it, just accept it.

said by Rick:

"BUT, they did forge packets which they did deny."

Really? Did they? Is that a fact or just a continuation of a figment of your wild imagination?

said by Rick:

What Comcast said was they don't block access to any web site or application. And, what they said was they do have the right to manage their network and to prevent it from abuse.

I don't see anything in those statements that come close to what you claim they said.

said by Rick:

Really..what the bottom line here is is that we have an isp that is giving we customers upwards of 20,000k speeds with powerboost...and allowing up to upload and download some 300 gigs of data per month.

All for the amazingly low price of 1.43 cents per day on average.

said by Rick:

Now..I don't know about you and the world you live in..but in mine that is a VERY reasonable price..and in fact..a VERY generous one at that for all that they do allow.

said by Rick:

Comcast has the right..and in fact..the obligation..to protect the majority of we users from that kind of activity.
And, they do so quite effectively with their current network management.

said by Rick:

As for the rest of us..I think the vast majority are reasonable people. And realize what a great value and service we have in Comcast.

In fact..I'd say it's one of the best isp's in America..if not the best.
Speed for speed..and dollar for dollar..

It certainly beats just about anything the telco's have..and certainly most dsl plans.

said by Rick:

It's amazing that you like to focus so much on comcast..while apparently your own ISP..namely Verizon..charges such a huge amount of money for their dsl service..for what is generally such a very slow offering.

Comcast is all about speed..and value.

And, whatever it is they're doing..I certainly hope they keep it up.

said by Rick:

lol..Try again?
DSL..dollar for dollar..speed versus speed..is VASTLY more expensive than Comcasts service.

You PAY less because you get a whole lot less.
A dsl customer pays upwards of 20.00 and more for 768k speeds.
A comcast customer..42.95 per month for powerboost speeds TWENTY times those #'s.
That would value the REAL cost of the dsl at about FOUR HUNDRED dollars versus Comcasts service.

said by Rick:

DSL..the bargain? Give me a break. That dog just won't hunt!

said by Rick:

As for your other points..they just won't hunt either.
You seem insistent on putting words in Comcasts mouth that they never said.

You seem concerned about comcast's "lies". Perhaps it's you who needs a visit to the confession booth at your local church.

said by Rick:

Comcast does not have the obligation to fund someones illegal ptp file trading activities with an unlimited 20,000k pipe as you seem to propose.
The only reason your verizon connection doesn't have the issue is because it's so damn slow, you'd never hit the caps anyway!

said by Rick:

Comcast isn't trying to be all things to all people..and certainly not the isp to the bandwidth hogs who want it all for nothing.

The fact of the matter is, the vast majority of us are VERY happy with our speeds and the VERY generous 300gig per month caps that Comcast has.

said by Rick:

And, if someone doesn't like it..i'd suggest they do what you did. Go to the slowskys and pick up a 768k ~ 1500k dinosaur of a connection and run around crowing about how little you pay.

They'll be in great company with you for sure!

said by Rick:

This post is to the two posters above..moon puppy and radio doc. (hereafter referred to as radiopuppy)

said by Rick:

First..to the good doc. My post should dispel any false rumors that comcast isn't offering 20,000k + speeds for 42.95.

And, to the crowd that likes to claim it's only for the first 5 seconds of the download..my post also dispels that false rumor you all just love to put out there in defense of your ever dying telco industry.

2.26MB at 40 MB + into the file.
My oh my oh my.

said by Rick:

But..of course..I already knew that. Because I actually use the service..whereas you're obviously out here posting for different reasons.

said by Rick:

And so, to the Good doc who accuses me of not answering the questions..
there's the direct answer to you.
"I defy you to find a 20 megabit Comcast connection for $42.95 that is not some limited promo price or in a market where they are running for their lives (see: Utopia an FIOS)."

I just defied you.

said by Rick:

And now, to moonpuppy.

Let's consider these results for a moment..and then compare them to what dsl offers the vast majority of their customers.

768k to 1500k for 20 to 25?
3,000k for the same to maybe 30?
Are those the speeds and prices you're referring to as the "value" among telcos versus comcast?

Well..guess what?
Your beloved dsl offerings are VASTLY..HUGELY..and OUTRAGEOUSLY priced versus my and others comcast connections.

said by Rick:

Flat out..dollar for dollar..you'd be paying almost TWO HUNDRED PER MONTH for an equivalent speed offering as comcast customers pay.

Who's the expensive one? Who has the very slow solution?
Who is the RIPOFF????

said by Rick:

Guess what?
It's sure not Comcast!!

And, EVEN DOC..with his 6Mb 40.00 connection..is STILL paying something upwards of 120.00 per month COMPARED to what I am with comcast.

said by Rick:

Is it any wonder why Comcast is growing SO damn rapidly?
Because they are the VALUE LEADER in the tv..Internet..AND phone space.

said by Rick:

My friends..people are not dumb. And I certainly am not dumb.
We understand VALUE when we see it.

And, it's why so many subscribe to this service..and why so many more will as they understand the truth..and facts..behind the distortions that some would like to post here.

said by Rick:

Myth # 2.
Comcast and their caps.
As you both know..I've been around bbr for quite a while now..and seen many a post. And, seen many a post in the comcast forum.

And, while some like to accuse Comcast of having "caps"..the fact of the matter is..those caps if they really exist at all are in the STRATOSPHERE. Comcast is not out to deny me or anyone our rightful access to the service.
What they ARE out to protect..is the vast majority of their customer base who simply do not abuse this service.
And, they have every right to do that..and we customers expect them to do just that.

said by Rick:

As good as the service is today..it has it's technological limitations. And the fact is..if they let people saturate the upstream for an extended period of time..and enough people did it..the whole service would grind to a halt for everyone.

said by Rick:

It is the technology as it exists today in the network..not the will of comcast to deny us anything.
And, just as in many examples in life..it's up to people to not abuse something beyond it's limitations.

said by Rick:

And finally, to address the issue for one last time here..because I believe have both answered the questions and directly replied to the questions.. What comcast has said is that they do not block access to anything. And, they don't.
What comcast HAS said is that they take reasonable measures to preserve and protect their network.
And, obviously they do.

said by Rick:

And the rest?

They should just sign up for a slow as he** dsl plan and really find out what life is like on the Dark side.

said by RadioDoc:

No, the question was not what speed you were getting, but rather how much you were really paying for it.

said by Rick:

has simply decided to move onto something else.

Well..that dog won't hunt. And neither will I. And so i'll bow out graciously from any further replies to his posts which seem to morph into something else entirely once he receives a direct response to his original question.

said by Rick:

"For a dog that won't hunt, you seem to be putting a lot of effort into it."

And, for an isp that you don't even have..you seem to be putting an amazing amount of time into this.

I'd certainly have to classify my posts as much more appropriate given that I do actually have the service than your's who has simply decided to troll my posts.

In any event..enjoy your service and the "savings" it gives you.

As for me however, I think i'll pass on it.

I'm not interested in saving a very few bucks and cutting 19Mb off my speeds.

said by Rick:

Comcast has always said they use reasonable network management practices and has never said that their service is unlimited.

said by Rick:

BBR should STOP promoting their interests

said by RadioDoc:

What a load of tripe.

said by RadioDoc:

Interference in interstate commerce

said by RadioDoc:

secretly violating established networking standards

said by Rick:

We need to move on from this issue.

Those who this is ultimately affecting are the extreme..way over the top users who feel that they have the right to everything and anything for one low price.

said by Rick:

We need to move on from this issue.

Those who this is ultimately affecting are the extreme..way over the top users who feel that they have the right to everything and anything for one low price.

said by Rick:

I..and the vast majority of Comcast customers are very satisfied with our service and expect this company to do whatever it takes to preserve exactly that and to deliver a quality experience for the majority of us..not the minority.

said by ptrowski:

Forging packets is unacceptable. Just imagine when it starts affecting you, Rick. I bet you will sing a different song. Throttling and forging are two different things.
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said by pokesph:

Just remember, in some states it is criminally illegal for anyone to intercept, modify, and etc. internet data, packets, and so on. What Comcast is doing can get them in a bunch of legal trouble if, IF it can be proved in as court of law. There are a few trying that here in ArnoldLand.