blips
join:2001-04-17
Addison, IL
| P2P, bandwidth hogs, et all
It may start with P2P and the "bandwidth hogs" but where will it end. Will they interfere with VoIP providers, movie download services, site providing TV over the internet or anyone else that my be a potential competitor in the future. Where does it end and when will they be accountable? I can careless about P2P downloaders and bandwidth hogs, but I get nervous when they can shape my traffic and interfere with any other services I use or might use in the future. You give them an inch and you better believe they will take the whole mile. |
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MJRudzik
join:2002-01-13
Independence, MO
 ·Speakeasy
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February 7th, @11:38AM
| I've said it before and I'll say it again here.The ProP2P side of this debate is still mistating what is being interfered with by simply stating that Bit Torrent is being throttled. To be clear Bit Torrent has 2 parts Downloading and Uploading (aka seeding). Downloads are in the clear and NOT being interfered with. Just last night I downloaded a large file via BT on Comcast as full speed. Uploading seeding is being blocked. when you download via BT you don't violate the TOS. But as soon as you start to seed that file you just got your Bit Torrent becomes a public server. You have just made that file available to the whole world via your pc. This is not allowed by the TOS. And no its not like email a file to grandma Sue that is a one to one event with a defined start and end. Bit torrent seeding is you (one) to the hordes (the entire internet) until such time a you stop sharing. If Comcast sees users running other servers that are generating a lot of traffic they'll block those too. I hope they dont get forced into getting there by people who cant respect a TOS. I still think that they are within their rights to block BT uploads. As afar as IPtv and voip go there will be no need to block them as once again they are download services and where some upload might occur it will be small and on a one to one basis. Unless you like calling the entire internet or allowing the entire internet to watch your tv.
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BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
| reply to blips
said by blips  : You give them an inch and you better believe they will take the whole mile. Not only that but they'll raise your rates for the privilege of that mile long journey. Or perhaps some fees or un-fees.  |
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JerryTongue
join:2003-04-01
Auburn, WA
 ·Comcast
| Comcast goal is to hold onto and grab all basic users which means not most of you here, you are all a small % of what they are going after. Now and then someone smart enough comes along and figures out there little tricks they use but as long as it is said to be legal then they really dont care because the basic Joe user isn't here reading about this and wouldn't understand anyways.These are people that just found out they are getting 150 new channels (going to pay more of course) but dont even realize they are channels they wouldnt watch anyways, but wow more channels.Comcast will continue to buy who they can and bring in who they can and not spend a dime more than they have to and that my friend is the whole reason behind what they are doing, to be able to keep the network up to handle the traffic to a level Joe user can still load web pages, read e-mails, and watch cable TV. That level of user is not going to be here reading this. More and more new things are coming out that are done over the Internet and not Just Comcast is feeling the pressure from this but who is going to take the lead in all this are the ISP that are investing in there network to take on more, Comcast is lacking in this field and when the dust settles? Just watch what happens. I think this time next year we will see some cool commercials coming out about who is who and who does what. They are starting to be almost as good as the Bud Commercials at half time  No, not really. |
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asdfdfdfdfdf
@Level3.net
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"Just last night I downloaded a large file via BT on Comcast as full speed"
In order for you to download someone has to upload. If other isps started doing the same thing how far do you think you would get with everyone trying to download and no one uploading?
The idea with seeding is that you give some and you take some. Unfortunately it always comes to pass that few people give and many people take so you end up with a smaller subset of the population doing most of the seeding. Hence your "bandwidth hogs". If MORE people would seed the present bandwidth hogs wouldn't have to be carrying so much of the upload traffic and there wouldn't be bandwidth hogs, traffic would be more evenly distributed and there would be the recognition that consumption of a broad majority of the population is on the rise.
We would then be perceiving this problem correctly. That, in reality, the majority of broadband users are consuming more than they were, but that much of the upload is being borne a few users because most people take more than they give. To repeat, an uploading bandwidth hog couldn't be an uploading hog unless there were people like you downloading. Trying to claim that the problem is them uploading and that you are a good guy because you are only downloading makes no sense. If no one was downloading upload traffic would be essentially ZERO. |
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MJRudzik
join:2002-01-13
Independence, MO
·Speakeasy
| There is a little validity to you post but only a little. The fact is the majority of private citizens that are seeding are doing so with illicit pirated material that a large number of people are downloading.
Regardless of the chilling effect that an isp blocking seeders has on Bit Torrent overall you miss the point. Allowing the mass public to connect to your pc on an ongoing basis is against the rules that Comcast subscribers agree to when they order service. The bottom line issue is that NO serving is authorized by the TOS, so when an isp decides to block a server they are within their rights to do so. Legitimate sites that offer files via Bit torrent will have commercial lines unaffected by this requirement. The fact is this is residentila service and under no obligation to allow anyone to perform functions outside of the TOS. If you want to run a server with a lot of traffic get Comcast Commercial. |
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