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join:2003-07-15 Milwaukee, WI | Corruption knows no party...
Way to go Dems, it only took a year for you to go from cleaning up Washington, to pandering and outright corruption. |
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  n2jtx
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| said by boober321 :Way to go Dems, it only took a year for you to go from cleaning up Washington, to pandering and outright corruption. Was there ever any doubt? Neither party is truly interested in "we the people". Only their own special interests. Personally I prefer the term Republicrats or Democans to refer to the critters we have stashed in Congress. It is definitely more descriptive.
In terms of this bill, the Republicans support it because it helps their big business interests and involves their favorite pass-time, surveillance. For the Democrats, it supports their Hollywood buddies. -- I support the right to keep and arm bears. |
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| reply to boober321 said by boober321 :Way to go Dems, it only took a year for you to go from cleaning up Washington, to pandering and outright corruption. Please tell me you are only feigning shock. -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! |
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4 edits | reply to n2jtx said by n2jtx :In terms of this bill, the Republicans support it because it helps their big business interests and involves their favorite pass-time, surveillance. For the Democrats, it supports their Hollywood buddies. The piracy provision was a very small part of a HUGE education grant renewal bill. Most of the votes didn't hinge on this one provision. So, support for the bill had hardly anything to do with this provision. You are looking at it from a very narrow focus. The House of Reps aren't.
P.S.> Here is the one section that deals with piracy:
SEC. 494. CAMPUS-BASED DIGITAL THEFT PREVENTION.
`(a) In General- Each eligible institution participating in any program under this title shall to the extent practicable--
`(1) make publicly available to their students and employees, the policies and procedures related to the illegal downloading and distribution of copyrighted materials required to be disclosed under section 485(a)(1)(P); and
`(2) develop a plan for offering alternatives to illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property as well as a plan to explore technology-based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity.
`(b) Grants-
`(1) PROGRAM AUTHORITY- The Secretary may make grants to institutions of higher education, or consortia of such institutions, and enter into contracts with such institutions, consortia, and other organizations, to develop, implement, operate, improve, and disseminate programs of prevention, education, and cost-effective technological solutions, to reduce and eliminate the illegal downloading and distribution of intellectual property. Such grants or contracts may also be used for the support of a higher education centers that will provide training, technical assistance, evaluation, dissemination, and associated services and assistance to the higher education community as determined by the Secretary and institutions of higher education.
`(2) AWARDS- Grants and contracts shall be awarded under paragraph (1) on a competitive basis.
`(3) APPLICATIONS- An institution of higher education or a consortium of such institutions that desires to receive a grant or contract under paragraph (1) shall submit an application to the Secretary at such time, in such manner, and containing or accompanied by such information as the Secretary may reasonably require by regulation.
`(4) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There are authorized to be appropriated to carry out this subsection such sums as may be necessary for fiscal year 2009 and for each of the 4 succeeding fiscal years.'. The White House is threatening to veto this over many of the other provisions. And the Senate doesn't have a piracy provision in their version. It is very possible the piracy provision will die in conference committee before going to the White House for signature.
P.S.> Sometimes I despair of the level of ignorance of our legislative system by the typical US voter. I sometimes think voters should have to take a test before they are allowed to vote. Maybe then we would have better legislators.
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| reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail :P.S.> Sometimes I despair of the level of ignorance of our legislative system by the typical US voter. I sometimes think voters should have to take a test before they are allowed to vote. Maybe then we would have better legislators. Let's extend that test to the political candidates as well. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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  mrchris We don't miss you Bush Premium join:2002-10-01 North Babylon, NY | reply to manfmmd I scored a C  |
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  thrillhaus Premium join:2003-12-26 Tucson, AZ clubs: | reply to TKJunkMail The only two people I didn't know on there were the minority leaders of the house and senate... hmmmmmm -- -thrillhaus |
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| reply to mrchris said by mrchris :I scored a C Not too bad. But you have to start looking at the front page of a newspaper more often. Or going to Google News to stay up to date. »news.google.com/?topic=w -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page |
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| reply to TKJunkMail The only thing that useless test determines is whether you watch a lot of network TV news (a negative in my opinion because of the news channels' constant attempts to influence voters with partial and out-of-context sound bytes and video snapshots), and has nothing to do with knowledge of the type you are displaying. A test to see if you are informed it says, unless matching a face to a name and office is informed, that's a lie. Many of the people are actors, what do they have to do with being politically informed? The whole thing is a joke.
Test people on what their representatives and candidates are voting for and proposing, not what they look like. -- The public is a poor business manager. |
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| reply to boober321 said by boober321 :Way to go Dems, it only took a year for you to go from cleaning up Washington, to pandering and outright corruption. uh, they never really tried to clean up washington... hell they never even bothered to attempt it... |
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1 edit | reply to boober321 said by boober321 :Way to go Dems, it only took a year for you to go from cleaning up Washington, to pandering and outright corruption. This is why college students need to pay attention to politics, and when issues like this pop up, get involved, stay involved, and get it voted down.
And since college kids don't have the capital of MPAA and other entertainment industry bodies, why they need to make their own organization and protect what rights they may have left. Because this is only the tip of the iceberg.
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| reply to n2jtx said by n2jtx :Was there ever any doubt? Neither party is truly interested in "we the people". Only their own special interests. Personally I prefer the term Republicrats or Democans to refer to the critters we have stashed in Congress. It is definitely more descriptive. In terms of this bill, the Republicans support it because it helps their big business interests and involves their favorite pass-time, surveillance. For the Democrats, it supports their Hollywood buddies. Kang: It's a two party system! You have to vote for one of us! Man: He's right, this is a two-party system. Man 2: Well, I believe I'll vote for a third-party candidate. Kang: Go ahead, throw your vote away.
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY | reply to TKJunkMail I scored an F. Too many actors. |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY | reply to RadioDoc Not needed. They all know what they are doing is evil. |
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| reply to ChrisXP said by ChrisXP :This is why college students need to pay attention to politics, and when issues like this pop up, get involved, stay involved, and get it voted down. {...} they need to make their own organization and protect what rights they may have left. Because this is only the tip of the iceberg. The least represented will be the first victims in politics. With the current institutional repression and intolerance, any student who did such a thing would be summarily expelled. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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  manfmmd Premium join:2003-01-14 Earth clubs: 1 edit | reply to patcat88 Pathetic. There were only 4 actors.   |
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1 edit | reply to RadioDoc said by RadioDoc :With the current institutional repression and intolerance, any student who did such a thing would be summarily expelled. As much as this?
»www.normanfinkelstein.com
And for repression and intolerance now, these things come in waves. In the 60s and 70s it wasn't exactly peachy for conservatives on campuses, too. Wasn't the draft card burners that was the worry, but those who burned down ROTC buildings and harrassed cadets.
Karma has a way of repeating itself, and it does when violence is justified and condoned. Passes from one generation onto another, and each wondering why the other isn't so nice.
Maybe it can skip a generation or more (I can at least hope). -- Zionism is a crime
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| Why bring political polarization into this? Nobody said anything about this being a liberal or conservative issue. And if I remember correctly the university administrations weren't the ones doing the 'repressing' back in the 60's like they are today. The ROTC/cadet example you cite was due to their representation of military policy which was out of step with the culture.
Today, they would probably shoot the protesters, a la Kent State, and have the government's and university's blessing to do it. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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