Re: Tough in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19980539 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:36:13 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:36:13 EDT Re: Tough http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19981925 openbox9 : You should realize that the Zealots around here believe that Google can do no wrong. Obviously this effort is Google's attempt to save the Internet, one tool bar at a time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19981925 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:22:47 EDT Re: Tough http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19981716 S_engineer : Does anybody remember the stink over Webroots decision to declassify 180 solutions as adware or malware?
Now does everyone see how this practice has become more prevelant on the web, even with the "Internet defenders" like google.
Take it even further TK, why is this in anyway acceptable when the NSA eavsdropping is not?

Malware and click stream data mining is ok as long as it's for marketing purposes, but use it to try and prevent disaster and look out!

Priorities people.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19981716 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:48:21 EDT Re: Tough http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19981498 darbacour :
said by Sabre See Profile :

This is entirely true.

However, bear in mind that the Google toolbar comes pre-checked with a LOT of common software. While forced opt-out software is indeed a choice, it's the kind of loaded choice that often seems like foistware.

Is it a choice? Yes, but it often doesn't feel that way.
Absolutely TRUE.

A few years ago, I had a CrapCast tech accidentally install the Google toolbar when he updated my Java to run a speed-test at DSL Reports.

Damn I was hot until I realized Java updates always come with the wonderful offer of a stupid Google toolbar pre-checked and being a CrapCast tech I couldn't possibly expect him to be smart enough to uncheck it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19981498 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:19:17 EDT Re: Tough http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19981091 en102 : I personally dislike that style as well.
While not illegal, somewhat misleading by design.
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said by Dogfather See Profile :

Still the user's call.

If the USER doesn't like it, the USER can uninstall it.
I agree, it is a choice to uninstall it. But there is a problem. Google is now, BY DEFAULT, being installed somewhat sneakily(just like scumware companies do) with other products.

And I find it very amusing that others are defending this practice. The very same people who did and would be screaming bloody murder when Verizon or Comcast did the same exact thing.
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If the USER doesn't like it, the USER can uninstall it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19980696 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:10:54 EDT Re: Tough http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19980539 Sabre : This is entirely true.

However, bear in mind that the Google toolbar comes pre-checked with a LOT of common software. While forced opt-out software is indeed a choice, it's the kind of loaded choice that often seems like foistware.

Is it a choice? Yes, but it often doesn't feel that way.
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IOW, this isn't Google's doing or an ISP's doing.

This is a CHOICE by the user.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19980520 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:46:21 EDT