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Re: OptOut creates cookies with faireagle name
said by TamaraB  :said by TKJunkMail :Also adblock plus, with the Easylist subscription, blocks ads from both nebuad.com and faireagle.com. But the ads won't be coming from nebuad.com or from faireagle.com, they will "appear" to be coming from the site you are surfing. Bob I think you are wrong. Because my adblock plus list of hits lists both of those web domains as showing blocked hits. Unless you can show proof somewhere that says it works as you claim.
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| said by TKJunkMail :I think you are wrong. I certainly hope I am DEAD wrong! But, after reading the article twice, I can't technically grok how this system is to work other than altering packet content.
Because my adblock plus list of hits lists both of those web domains as showing blocked hits. I don't doubt it. But there are dozens of reasons for this to happen. Is NebuAd active at your ISP? The article intimates this is in the early stage of deployment.
Unless you can show proof somewhere that says it works as you claim.
The only thing I know about NebuAd is what is written in Karl's article. But the mere fact that NebuAd will "inject" ads to me, and that "cookies" will not be used, leads me to surmise there has to be some packet alteration going on. How else can they do what they claim they can do?
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1 edit | If they are being injected, they are coming from a different address.
At best, the ad will be seen here once and *I*(if I have to) will blacklist that address.
Once blacklisted, anything coming from that address is not allowed a connection.
I will see a blank area at the most! 
See pic...
Opera. Most of these are by default - I didn't put them there!
Several of them I did put in there.
We won't say anything about AdMuncher that is but a click away.
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| said by dadkins :... At best, the ad will be seen here once and *I*(if I have to) will blacklist that address. By "here" I assume you mean dslreports.com. So, how can an ad appear here unless Justin agrees to have the ad placed here?
How can a link to NebuAD's "targeted" ads, or cookie for that matter, even appear on a dslreports.com web page unless the page is altered in some manner during transit?
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1 edit | said by TamaraB :said by dadkins :... At best, the ad will be seen here once and *I*(if I have to) will blacklist that address. By "here" I assume you mean dslreports.com. So, how can an ad appear here unless Justin agrees to have the ad placed here? How can a link to NebuAD's "targeted" ads, or cookie for that matter, even appear on a dslreports.com web page unless the page is altered in some manner during transit? Bob No. Here means *here at this house on these machines*.
If I go to some site that has an ad visible that I wish to make "go away" because it is not already blocked, I simply look at the properties of that ad and add it's main address to the blacklist.
Refresh the page - ad is *usually* history!
If is a persistant changing ad, AdMuncher is still at my disposal as well. It hates everything!
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| said by dadkins :said by TamaraB :said by dadkins :... At best, the ad will be seen here once and *I*(if I have to) will blacklist that address. By "here" I assume you mean dslreports.com. So, how can an ad appear here unless Justin agrees to have the ad placed here? How can a link to NebuAD's "targeted" ads, or cookie for that matter, even appear on a dslreports.com web page unless the page is altered in some manner during transit? Bob No. Here means *here at this house on these machines*. If I go to some site that has an ad visible that I wish to make "go away" because it is not already blocked, I simply look at the properties of that ad and add it's main address to the blacklist. Refresh the page - ad is *usually* history! If is a persistant changing ad, AdMuncher is still at my disposal as well. It hates everything! And here is where DPI and packet forging has you beat.
Let's say you see the ad you add it to your blocked list. The device could be set up to basically say fook you , your not blocking what we are getting paid to show you. Now they can intercept the request out and send you a packet back saying they are google and serve you some nice fat ads from the local server pool instead of from google , and your browser thinks it is google.
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Sure, I do the same with AdBlock, with NoScript, and with my browser (firefox) set to NOT accept any cookies unless I specifically allow the site to do so, and no popups except from certain allowed sites.
The problem I have with the NebuAD system is clearly spelled out by their own site:
NebuAd opens new ad-based revenue streams for service providers...
To date, the role of service providers (ISPs) has been limited to enabling, but not participating in, the online advertising revenue ecosystem. NebuAd creates a greater market opportunity for the entire online advertising ecosystem, opening new revenue possibilities for ISPs that preserve and enhance the interests of the advertisers, publishers and consumers on their networks.
revenue ecosystem == oxymoron!
Sounds very intrusive to me, but then I am basically a paranoid person.
Even if this system were only used to target ads for existing advert companies via an anonymous "hash token"; which token is generated within the appliance itself, how long will it take the NSA to demand the un-anonymous data? This could very well be a back-door to our data-rapacious government to circumvent current warrantless wire taping laws.
Bob
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MSN | 
Opera's Block Content | 
AdMuncher doing what it does | 
one of the Options tabs | 
google? 25 instances of *things* to block/remove |
See pic #1
Msn
See pic #2
Opera can nuke stuff at will.
Or...
See pic #3
AdMuncher killing - ads.
»www.admuncher.com/
Works with any browser
*IF* anything were to get past, it's not too hard to add it's address to one of my blacklists(or all of them).
Ad farms/*services* start pushing, people will start pushing back.
Got an ad infested site and it fails? Oh well! Next!
Ads start appearing for no reason, kill 'em all! No sweat!
Now, there are a couple sites that I am a member of and I do my part by ALLOWING their ads and even clicking on them!
For surfing... El Nuko! 
EDIT: Added a couple screenies of AdMuncher.
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TKJunkMail
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Adblock Plus on Firefox does a good job too on that MSn page:
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wentlanc
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said by TKJunkMail :Because my adblock plus list of hits lists both of those web domains as showing blocked hits. Are you saying Comcast has already implemented this?
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said by wentlanc :Geez. How come I'm the only one who has been called a freeloader, and every content provider in the world will be out of business because of "people like me"!! Go dadkins, go!! Don't trip wentlanc!
When I am surfing, *I* decide what I allow on my screen - no one else!
*I* pay for my connection, I decide what comes across it!
Bandwidth aint free(as people say - both sides of this), I agree!
I'm paying for mine, I have SOME say in what gets done with my bandwidth, don't I?
If *I* feel some site is getting stupid with the amount of ad-per-page ratio... I'll remove a few.
They get ignorant, I'll nuke every freakin ad they throw at me!
They die, tough shitsky!
I go to the next site that is not being so damned pushy!
This NebuAd horseshit? Byte Me!
What are they going to do if I go text only? 
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said by RadioDoc :said by TKJunkMail :Because my adblock plus list of hits lists both of those web domains as showing blocked hits. Are you saying Comcast has already implemented this? I have no idea. Nebuad does business with many companies - not just ISPs. So the ads that got blocked may have come from anywhere.
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I wish I could give you more than one thumbs up. In another post on the google 404 issue but almost the same conversation, I got an eyeful.... Just wondering why nobody felt the need to do the same to you. It must be the scary avatar!
said by BF69 :said by wentlanc :This is the choice of the user. The web developer can be as pissed as they want to, but what I choose to put on my machine to customize MY internet is my choice. Just like ad blockers. Developers are pissed about them too because less people may click on their ads to help pay for the site. I've never clicked one, and I don't intend to, so I removed them completely to save the bandwidth, and my eyeballs. I'm allowed to customize my experience on the internet, right? So everything for FREE right? Everyone is suppoed to work hard and spend money so you can enjoy life for FREE? moe adblocker will mean MORE ads less content. And eventually nothing but subscription based content. Personally I'd rather put up with ads than have to pay subscription to every site I use. NOTHING is on the internet now for you pure entertainment. Whether you like it or not there is a profit motive involved. If they can't make money by having ads because you block them they WILL get you to pay somehow or you'll do without. The sooner you learn this the better off you'll be. Run! The content is falling!! |
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OK. The way you wrote that it looked like you were saying you were seeing the spoofed traffic on your Comcast connection showing up in Adblock logs.
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| said by RadioDoc :OK. The way you wrote that it looked like you were saying you were seeing the spoofed traffic on your Comcast connection showing up in Adblock logs. I am seeing that ads were blocked from nebuad & faireagle domains. I have no idea whether the ads were due to some deal with Comcast or with some other NON-ISP company.
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join:2000-05-11 | Funny that I'm not getting anything from either of them here. Thanks for the clarification though.
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said by dadkins :Doesn't matter. I can block any image/ad on a webpage...... This is naive! If an ad comes from dslr.net and it is a java ad, you can block it without blocking your dslreports security scan? Or speed test? Please educate us as to how you can accomplish this magical feat.
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Ads | 
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said by TamaraB :This is naive! If an ad comes from dslr.net and it is a java ad, you can block it without blocking your dslreports security scan? Or speed test? Please educate us as to how you can accomplish this magical feat. Bob Get Opera.
Right click on a page with ads and select Block Content.
Select the item you no longer wish to see by clicking it.
Click "Done".
POS is no longer displayed.
Everything else, including Java, will still work fine.
AdMuncher - most likely will kill the ad before it even shows.
If not, hover over the ad and get the address to the server delivering it.
Blacklist that server - no more ad!
Everything else, including Java, will still work fine.
You're new to this ad blocking thing, huh? No worries!
EDIT: How it works with Opera - See pics!
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