Surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08
| reply to satellite68
Re: If you don't agree with EFF and want to contact Congress....
said by satellite68  :What's the sound of one hand clapping? Congratulations, you've become your very own stereotype. LOL Dude, that's wacked. |
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Surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08
| reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25 :I would agree somewhat but with a different angle. You punish a corporation by making it pay money. You can't put the corporation in jail to serve time. However, you can put the executives that gave the order to follow this criminal behavior in jail. Therefore I say you punish the corporation by fining them (and allowing them pay those they violated through court actions) and then you procecute in criminal court the individuals responsible for making an illegal request happen. Without this immunity bill I am sure that is exactly what will happen. With it, none of it will. Really fines just hurt the companies profits and doesn't help the problem the problem is the people making the decision.
But really if you were asked by the Government do us this favor,most likely an agreement was worked out (scratch my back and well you know?
Going after the individuals seems more logical as you stated.
Even if you fined the Telcos Billions it would only hurt the company and these share holders and smaller stock holders also the users of the services provided will suffer because of trying to recoup the losses because of bad decisions made by these Individuals who made the decision to go along with the spying without proper documentation.
But I am sure all could be justified by the company and the government.
Whether it washes with the public is another story. |
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said by Surfinusa :  Thanks for the reassurance. EDIT: No really I am fine now .. I am fine  (paranoya) J/k Glad to be on help! 
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to firephoto
Im sure this mass wiretapping has been done ever since it became technologically feasiable. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to amigo_boy
said by amigo_boy :said by woody7 :why should the telcos who obviously broke laws be given a pass. Civil court isn't where you prosecute broken laws and criminal behavior. It's where groups with political agendas bleed someone dry with class action lawsuits just because they can't accomplish their goal through criminal and impeachment courts. Don't you find it odd that DSL Reports couches its article as "if you support things like due process..." when a rational person would say that using civil court to accomplish what can't be accomplished through criminal/impeachment court is essentially circumventing due process? Why should the DOJ sue the Govt? The DOJ IS THE GOVT. The president appoints the Attorney General, and can fire him at will. All it takes is 1 phone call, and the govt will never ever ever again consider suing that person/entity/itself (US Govt). Criminal case just flew out the window. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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said by amigo_boy : And, likewise, the DoJ didn't find it reasonable to file criminal charges. Bush ordered the Attorney General not to pursue the case. Nuff said. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to satellite68
said by satellite68 :BTW-basing your entire argument on the premise that so far nothing has happened is purely a fallacy. A new President and/or new Congress may disagree totally with what is passed as law now. A new Congress or a new President can mean 2 things. A Democrat, or a Republican. Party platforms change very slowly, and the party power structures cross election cycles. Nothing will change unless the Green Party wins 50%. |
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