how-to block ads
|
|
Uniqs:
215 |
Share Topic
 |
 |
|
|
rileyjam514There You Go Again...
join:2005-06-26
Kearny, NJ | Some notes... First, please, for the love of God, stop it with the Ben Franklin quoting. It's not like the man was always correct in everything he said or did! Yes, he was a smart person, yes he made some wonderful discoveries and helped our nation a great deal during a time of war, turmoil, discontent and upheaval. That doesn't mean that you need to quote him to death to support your positions.
Second, TK's right - this is just about immunity, not spying - for spying, please write a letter and address it to last week, when someone would've given a damn. Issue's over. Let it go.
Third, as my signature clearly states, I don't trust the telecom companies with American tax dollars - but that doesn't mean I despise everything they do. When a government law enforcement agency comes to you and asks for your help in the collection of evidence against suspected terrorists, even if you disagree with them you help them out because A) you'd rather they find the guy quietly than find out the hard way who it is on the news, when it's too late and you've got blood on your hands, B) you'd be able to say you aided a criminal investigation and would be able to sleep at night.
Fourth, cut the crap with regard to all this BS about your civil liberties being infringed because someone is able (key word here) to listen to your phone calls. If I've heard it once I've heard it a thousand times and I'm absolutely sick to death of it. Why? It's just not true! Think about it - no one's taking your conversation with your wife and spreading rumors or lies about you - if anything, they're quite private about what they do with what you say. For it to even come close to being a true violation, they'd have to broadcast it on loudspeakers and drive around the neighborhood with the recording playing. Even then, it would be a real stretch to call it a civil liberties violation (I would call it crass behavior and poor judgement on their part). And for those of you paying attention, I'm going by legal definitions here, not ACLU fluff. Legally, they'd simply have taken a recording and played it in public, which isn't a crime (at least as long as the RIAA/MPAA don't have their way).
Getting back to my point, I feel much safer when the government has the ability to listen to any calls it wants, or has the ability to nip terrorist activities in the bud. Don't punish the telecom companies because they performed a civil service to their nation - if you feel you must blame someone, you have the terrorists to look at. Without their islamofacist aggression, we would be in a much safer place and no one would worry about such things.
--
Abortion is murder, Reagan was a hero, Clinton was a sleazeball, Iraq is much better off without Saddam, and the telcos are not trustworthy with American tax dollars. There! I've managed to offend a significant portion of BBR! | |
Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | sieg hile | | |
|
 morboComplete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000 | reply to rileyjam514
said by rileyjam514:Don't punish the telecom companies because they performed a civil service to their nation shudder | |
WrzWrz
join:2002-08-23
Silver Grove, KY | reply to rileyjam514
Illegal is illegal. It doesn't matter what King George II says. | |
| reply to rileyjam514
said by rileyjam514:Getting back to my point, I feel much safer when the government has the ability to listen to any calls it wants, or has the ability to nip terrorist activities in the bud. So, where would you like your Telescreen installed? Where would you like the cameras that watch your ever move installed in your house?
You laugh, but stuff like that becomes easier every time someone gives up a portion of their rights.
Don't punish the telecom companies because they performed a civil service to their nation - if you feel you must blame someone, you have the terrorists to look at. Fact check... This type of stuff was going before 9/11. So blaming the terrorists and not the officials with no respect for our rights is a dud of an argument.
Without their islamofacist aggression, we would be in a much safer place and no one would worry about such things. You have a better chance of getting killed in a car wreck or a plane crash than dying in a terrorist strike... So to say the world would be "much safer" is a bogus argument based on the numbers. | |
rileyjam514There You Go Again...
join:2005-06-26
Kearny, NJ | said by factchecker :
So, where would you like your Telescreen installed? Where would you like the cameras that watch your ever move installed in your house?
You laugh, but stuff like that becomes easier every time someone gives up a portion of their rights. There you go again, to quote a refined gentleman.
The last time I looked, Empress Hillary expressed a desire to do this, not anyone currently in power. So, really, stuff like that becomes easier every time someone comes out in support of the Democratic Stalinist comrade Hillary.
Oh, and it can go over the fireplace.
Fact check... This type of stuff was going before 9/11. So blaming the terrorists and not the officials with no respect for our rights is a dud of an argument. So.... what? Oh, so you'd like to blame Bush, but by your own admission right here, you make it clear this stuff went on under Clinton. Because...
...wait for it...
...he did this? Yep! Thank you for playing! Indeed, Bush used what was in place and actually streamlined the process of allowing our law enforcement agencies to jump in and do their job, instead of, oh you know, throwing up a wall so no one could talk to one another. Yep, let's focus on our political enemies, throw the FBI, ATF, IRS and any other people we can at them, because, you know, they'll really hurt the country with their far-out traditional opinions and stuff.
You have a better chance of getting killed in a car wreck or a plane crash than dying in a terrorist strike... So to say the world would be "much safer" is a bogus argument based on the numbers.
And why is that, boys and girls? Is it because we all hope and clap very hard?
NO! It's because our law enforcement agencies are doing their jobs! It's because our military has systematically dismantled terrorist operations the world over and severely crippled their operational abilities! It's because our leaders had the cajones to step up and do something when nineteen rage-monkeys turned our civilian population and aircraft into giant missles and wiped two skyscrapers out of the sky and caused severe damage to our military's command center!
If stopping another 9/11 means someone's listening when I call for pizza, THEN TURN IT UP TO ELEVEN AND LISTEN ALL YOU WANT!
--
Abortion is murder, Reagan was a hero, Clinton was a sleazeball, Iraq is much better off without Saddam, and the telcos are not trustworthy with American tax dollars. There! I've managed to offend a significant portion of BBR! | |
| said by rileyjam514:It's because our leaders had the cajones to step up and do something when nineteen rage-monkeys turned our civilian population and aircraft into giant missles and wiped two skyscrapers out of the sky and caused severe damage to our military's command center! They could have done something before it happened, if they hadn't chosen to ignore information they already had. So now I'm supposed to give up my rights because the government dropped the ball? I don't think so. | |
| reply to rileyjam514
said by rileyjam514:The last time I looked, Empress Hillary expressed a desire to do this, not anyone currently in power. So, really, stuff like that becomes easier every time someone comes out in support of the Democratic Stalinist comrade Hillary. Just showed your true colors... You ignore the examples of Republicans advocating the same thing you accuse Hillary Clinton of doing to further some BS agenda. Congrats. Too bad facts are like mosquitoes, you ignore them or deny they exist and they bite you in the ass.
So.... what? Oh, so you'd like to blame Bush, but by your own admission right here, you make it clear this stuff went on under Clinton. Because...
...wait for it...
...he did this? Yep! Thank you for playing! Indeed, Bush used what was in place and actually streamlined the process of allowing our law enforcement agencies to jump in and do their job, instead of, oh you know, throwing up a wall so no one could talk to one another. Yep, let's focus on our political enemies, throw the FBI, ATF, IRS and any other people we can at them, because, you know, they'll really hurt the country with their far-out traditional opinions and stuff. Actually, this has nothing to do with blaming Bush. You have a bad habit of putting words in people's mouths. Read what is written without putting your BS spin on it.
What I was illustrating that terrorists actually have nothing to do with government surveillance. The term scapegoat comes time mind since illegal surveillance has been around for far longer than your terrorists.
You have a better chance of getting killed in a car wreck or a plane crash than dying in a terrorist strike... So to say the world would be "much safer" is a bogus argument based on the numbers.
And why is that, boys and girls? Is it because we all hope and clap very hard? NO! It's because our law enforcement agencies are doing their jobs! It's because our military has systematically dismantled terrorist operations the world over and severely crippled their operational abilities! It's because our leaders had the cajones to step up and do something when nineteen rage-monkeys turned our civilian population and aircraft into giant missles and wiped two skyscrapers out of the sky and caused severe damage to our military's command center! If stopping another 9/11 means someone's listening when I call for pizza, THEN TURN IT UP TO ELEVEN AND LISTEN ALL YOU WANT! | |
|
