kellodl
join:2005-01-23
Huntsville, AL | Immunity..... NO!
I already called my representative and told him to vote NO for Telco Immunity.
Do your part people! Remember the government is there FOR THE PEOPLE!!!! |
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nutcr0cker
join:2003-04-02
Chandler, AZ | Change
now thats true change...democrat controlled senate and house trumping Americans civil rights. True change...vote democrat 2008 |
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jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
| said by nutcr0cker  :now thats true change...democrat controlled senate and house trumping Americans civil rights. True change...vote democrat 2008 The way I heard it, it was the Republicans who voted for the bill (and against the amendment that would remove telco immunity). Remember that Democrats only hold a sliver of a majority. Republicans are the ones not willing to discuss the bill further as they try to rubber-stamp Bush's agenda as they have done in the previous Congress. They voted for the bill in the Senate then did not even want to listen to Democrats as they passed the spying portion of the bill (boo) yet left the telco immunity to be discussed. The Republicans walked out claiming they will not compromise and will only accept a vote on the bill now.
What does that say about Republicans? Listening to America? Willing to compromise? No, stubbornly listening to their own rhetoric. Putting Americans' privacy, and putting justice (not just for American's, but for the corp whistle-blower) on the back burner.
The Dems may not be all bread and butter, but at least they are standing up for Americans' rights. The government can get all the spying they need done... with oversight though warrants that limit to terrorists and contacts, not all Americans and foreigners. Vote Republican in 08? Not a chance!
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Wrong
@verizon.com
| It's not about spying on Americans. There has to be a foreign component to the call in question.
This is all about giving a gift to trial lawyers who want to sue, and the Telcos have the deep pockets. The trial lawyers donate a pile to democrats. It's all about money.
Check your history, under Clinton we had the Echelon program. No one said boo about it. |
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jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
| said by Wrong :
It's not about spying on Americans. There has to be a foreign component to the call in question.
This is all about giving a gift to trial lawyers who want to sue, and the Telcos have the deep pockets. The trial lawyers donate a pile to democrats. It's all about money. If you had bothered to look into what is going on you would notice that the 'foreign' element is very lax, almost non-existant leavinging room for not only spying on citizens but mistakes, that is, tracking citizens mistakenly believed to be terrorists. It has already happened, I have know people who have lost property and their assets to the government who mistakenly (and never proved) marked them as terrorists. Also, that does not limit to phone calls. It also includes general personal information and internet surfing / communications data. There needs to be oversight, that is what a warrant does. It makes sure they can only access information about the person(s) they need to look into, and not others either intentionally or by mistake.
said by Wrong :
Check your history, under Clinton we had the Echelon program. No one said boo about it. Exactly why we are looking into 'secret' laws today. We didn't know what that one covered or did, today we are more vigilant and better off.
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