openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Where are the...
Whiners complaining about all of the money that Comcast is raking in, but not upgrading their infrastructure? |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| said by openbox9  :Whiners complaining about all of the money that Comcast is raking in, but not upgrading their infrastructure? What good is this alleged upgrade if you're capped/restricted as to what you can download? |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
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said by openbox9 :Whiners complaining about all of the money that Comcast is raking in, but not upgrading their infrastructure? for at least a few more years, by the speeds currently provided by DOCSIS 1.x (or in Cablevision's case 2.0) networks. Still on DOCSIS 1.xx??
Long over due for "upgrading their infrastructure" 
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
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Sir I ask you to step to the left side of the counter. Your Comcast kool-aid is there. The middle and right sides are reserved for the American Idol and Apple fans.
Sir I also ask you to leave your expectations for service at the door. Thank you... Comcast Managem.... err Bosstonesown
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
 ·AT&T Southeast
| reply to SilverSurfer
You only need to worry about alleged caps/restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7. There are plenty of users that will be ecstatic about upgraded throughput tiers that won't have any problems with caps/restrictions that Comcast places on their network. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to hopeflicker
There are many cablecos still utilizing DOCSIS 1.x that are operating just fine...mine included. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to BosstonesOwn
I'm not drinking any kool-aid, I despise American Idol, and I am a Mac fan. I do have expectations for services that I pay money for, and for the most part, I'm satisfied. I do appreciate your genuine concern though. |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
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Minneapolis, MN
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said by hopeflicker :Still on DOCSIS 1.xx?? Long over due for "upgrading their infrastructure" What would they upgrade to? DOCSIS 2.0 has the same download channel capacity as 1.x, only the upstream gets improved from 9mbps to 27mbps. It provides no gains in video distribution, no significant gains in signal quality, and still required a complete CMTS card replacement.
The cable companies that have DOCSIS 2.0 only have it from initial deployments, no company in the industry upgraded because the ROI for 2.0 was crap.
3.0's big advantage is it allows MSOs to start deploying things like Switched Digital Video, which matters even more to cable companies than HSI speeds. |
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Karl Bode
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quote:
You only need to worry about alleged caps/restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7
Technically Comcast's traffic shaping throttles upstream p2p traffic for all users regardless of consumption. |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
| reply to espaeth
said by espaeth :said by hopeflicker :Still on DOCSIS 1.xx?? Long over due for "upgrading their infrastructure" What would they upgrade to? DOCSIS 2.0 has the same download channel capacity as 1.x, only the upstream gets improved from 9mbps to 27mbps. It provides no gains in video distribution, no significant gains in signal quality, and still required a complete CMTS card replacement. The cable companies that have DOCSIS 2.0 only have it from initial deployments, no company in the industry upgraded because the ROI for 2.0 was crap. 3.0's big advantage is it allows MSOs to start deploying things like Switched Digital Video, which matters even more to cable companies than HSI speeds. oh, that's right, customers don't need upstream. 
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fuziwuzi
Not born yesterday
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join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA
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said by openbox9 :You only need to worry about alleged caps/restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7. There are plenty of users that will be ecstatic about upgraded throughput tiers that won't have any problems with caps/restrictions that Comcast places on their network. How fast of a connection do you need if all you feel safe doing is sending an email to your grandma with a couple of pictures of the kids attached? Oops, don't attach too many pictures and heaven forbid you send a video clip, you might be accused of "abuse" and have your service terminated.
If having that awesome 50Mbps connection can't get you the stuff you want at awesome speed, but instead you're still limited to casual web browsing and sending/receiving a few emails, then what use is that 50Mbps connection when a 1Mbps connection would do that same thing with no noticeable difference? |
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BillRoland
Premium
join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
clubs: | reply to hopeflicker
Cox has been 2.0 for a long time. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to Karl Bode
Ok. You only need to worry about caps and P2P restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7 and seed files via P2P. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to fuziwuzi
How about quickly handling Microsoft's patch Tuesday? How about purchasing all of those mp3/mp4 files from Amazon or iTunes? How about Apple's new HD aTV rental mechanism? How about downloading all of those hi-rez pictures and video clips from your grandchildrens' website? Anyway, you get my point. |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA | How are people supposed to download those hirez pix/vids of their grandkids if you cant upload these large files.
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
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said by espaeth :said by hopeflicker :Still on DOCSIS 1.xx?? Long over due for "upgrading their infrastructure" What would they upgrade to? DOCSIS 2.0 has the same download channel capacity as 1.x, only the upstream gets improved from 9mbps to 27mbps. It provides no gains in video distribution, no significant gains in signal quality, and still required a complete CMTS card replacement. The cable companies that have DOCSIS 2.0 only have it from initial deployments, no company in the industry upgraded because the ROI for 2.0 was crap. CableVision (who is my connectivity provider) was DOCSIS 1.1 at 10/1. They DID spend the money to offer DOCSIS 2.0 (BOOST) at initially 30/2 (now 30/5) and bumped their DOCSIS 1.1 to 10/2 (and now 15/2). Thus your "Spend the ROI Money" claim is inaccurate. So is your DOCSIS 1.1 Download speed max being the same as DOCSIS 2.0 max since for me to get BOOST (DOCSIS 2.0) my DOCSIS 1.1 modem had to be replaced with a DOCSIS 2.0 modem (since the old one did not have the download speed capability). |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to hopeflicker
Why can't you upload? |
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Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
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said by openbox9 :Ok. You only need to worry about caps and P2P restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7 and seed files via P2P. I wasn't aware Skype, OpenOffice, and Linux distros fell into the range of "ISP abuse". Thanks for clearing that up! |
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Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
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said by openbox9 :How about quickly handling Microsoft's patch Tuesday? How quick do you really need them? You only need a basic broadband connection to be set for "first day downloads". Wether or not you're running the first patches from "patch Tuesday" within the first 20 minutes of release means *nothing*.
said by openbox9 :How about purchasing all of those mp3/mp4 files from Amazon or iTunes? What, people on 1.5M connections can't use Amazon or iTunes?
said by openbox9 :How about Apple's new HD aTV rental mechanism? I'd imagine it streams well enough over slower "standard" broadband connections.
etc., etc. Again, your average "surfing" grannie isn't going to benefit didly squat from a massive pipe connection. It caters more to those who're going to use the internet for lots of large file transfers - the exact same users Comcast labels as "abusive" once they hit the invisible bandwidth cap. |
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espaeth
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Minneapolis, MN
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said by RARPSL :So is your DOCSIS 1.1 Download speed max being the same as DOCSIS 2.0 max since for me to get BOOST (DOCSIS 2.0) my DOCSIS 1.1 modem had to be replaced with a DOCSIS 2.0 modem (since the old one did not have the download speed capability). Comcast ran into the same problem with PowerBoost with certain older modems, particularly the earlier Surfboards and RCA modems where not capable of delivering speeds at the full DOCSIS 1.1 rates. As for the download speeds being the same, that's a fact. See:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docsis
or read the Cablelabs specs yourself here:
»www.cablelabs.com/specifications/ |
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