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DarnellP
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| Toshiba just about ready to throw the towel in on hd dvd? »www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/con···c25aa58d
Not surprising if true. Just too many hot & heavy blows against hd dvd since the beginning of the year. Even if this article is premature, even the most ardent hd dvd supporter has to see that whether it's a few weeks from now or a few months from now, Toshiba's surrender/defeat is inevitable. | |
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Ken
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Brownsburg, IN | Re: Toshiba just about ready to throw the towel in on hd dvd? I think it's inevitable, but it's not over until the fat lady sings as they say. | |
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gate1975mlm
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Philadelphia, PA | Re: HD DVD Format on Death Watch RIP HD-DVD! | |
| | whocares
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| Good Morning Dadkins,hope you have a good weekend uhoh, YOU've done it now,
you have hit my "'curious question"",(i don't know) nerve, lol
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lots of questions about ""Blue Ray",
IF "blue ray" becomes the new format for movies,
Questions(s)
1, Will all the local,Nat'l(cable/satellite stations) have to switch their formats also?
(like from SD to HD,now to blue ray)
If (most of us have) classic or favorite VHS or Dvd movies,(either in SD or HD)
2,Will we have tobuy another pcs of equipment/player-burner to play/record these new version movies.
3,Do you thing Sir, that eventually there will be a machine that will play bith formats?
(like VHS & DVD's)
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dadkins
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| Re: HD DVD Format on Death Watch #1 No.
Cable and Sat TV will continue delivering what they are and eventually(hopfully) increase the quality of their offerings.
Blu-ray is the current leader in Picture Quality.
HDTV is currentlt at 1080i(interlaced) - screen draws half of the picture and then draws the second half.
1080p(progressive) draws the picture all in one pass.
Currently, PQ from the various HDTV sources goes like this:
Sat - Cable - OTA - Blu-ray.
#2 Yes. To play a Blu-ray Disc, you will need a Blu-ray player or a Blu-ray drive for your computer.
The Blu-ray drive for the computer will also need HDCP compliant hardware along side of it to display the 1080p image.
The Blu-ray movies can be ripped and converted, but you lose quality if you re-encode it smaller to fit on DVDs
The movies are 19-45GB in size.
#3 Which formats? HD DVD is getting dropped.
*ALL* Blu-ray players and drives will play DVDs fine! 
Hope this helps!
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| Re: HD DVD Format on Death Watch Thank You Dadkins probally won'tget one (blue ray0 machine/drive until I HAVE TO get one, since right now its more or less just starting up.
"J" | |
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| Re: HD DVD Format on Death Watch said by whocares  :Thank You Dadkins probally won'tget one (blue ray0 machine/drive until I HAVE TO get one, since right now its more or less just starting up. "J" Blu-ray has been around already. That is what the PS3 is. A blu-ray player.
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dadkins
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| Re: HD DVD Format on Death Watch said by wings10 :said by whocares :Thank You Dadkins probally won'tget one (blue ray0 machine/drive until I HAVE TO get one, since right now its more or less just starting up. "J" Blu-ray has been around already. That is what the PS3 is. A blu-ray player. BD players have been around for a while.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bl···_devices
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.. | Re: HD DVD Format on Death Watch oh ok THANK YOU again,dadkins for the link, i never heard of blue ray until maybe 2-3 months ago,
companies that made it sure didn't advertise it much,wonder why its make ing such a big noise?
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| Re: HD DVD Format on Death Watch said by whocares :companies that made it sure didn't advertise it much,wonder why its make ing such a big noise? "J" It is from Sony. That is what all the format wars have been about the last few years. HD vs Blu-ray.
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BF69
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| said by whocares :oh ok THANK YOU again,dadkins for the link, i never heard of blue ray until maybe 2-3 months ago, companies that made it sure didn't advertise it much,wonder why its make ing such a big noise? "J" Well let's see the PS3 which a blu-ray player has been out for 15 months adn you're just now hearing about it? I've seen commericals all the time for well over a year about movies being available for blu-ray. | |
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wings10
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dadkins
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4 edits | »www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9873029-7.html
"Things have gone from bad to worse for HD DVD in the space of one week.
Wal-Mart announced Friday morning that it, too, has chosen a side in the battle for high-definition video supremacy: by June it will only stock Blu-ray Disc players."
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"Wrote Susan Chronister of Wal-Mart: "By June Wal-Mart will only be carrying Blu-ray movies and hardware machines, and of course standard-def movies, DVD players, and up-convert players."
"So," she continues, not mincing words, "if you bought the HD (DVD) player like me, I'd retire it to the bedroom, kid's playroom, or give it to your parents to play their John Wayne standard-def movies, and make space for a BD player...""
CONFIRMED!
See CNN link from pepperxn's thread.
»Wal-mart chooses Blu-ray over HD DVD
»money.cnn.com/2008/02/15/technol···08021511
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BurlingtonON | Resistance to BluRay is futile ! | |
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cosmicvoid
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Kingston, WA | I am going to resist Bluray until players are available for under $200. I wonder how long that will take. | |
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| Re: Toshiba just about ready to throw the towel in on hd dvd? said by cosmicvoid :I am going to resist Bluray until players are available for under $200. I wonder how long that will take. If I had to guess, I'd say Black Friday. Hopefully sooner, but I'd put my money on Black Friday. | |
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| really this war was a fight for media and shelf space, and Blu-Ray won it. CIrcuit City doesnt have to flip at all, with just Walmart alone being a BRD backer it is a major blow(especially when you consider lots of people only shop at their local walmart for things like movies).
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ahhnold
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| According to Reuters a fat lady at Toshiba has thrown in her towel (hopefully she has more than one...):
Toshiba to exit HD DVD, end format war-NHK
TOKYO (Reuters) - Toshiba Corp is planning to stop production of equipment compatible with the HD DVD format for high-definition video, allowing the competing Blu-Ray camp a free run, public broadcaster NHK reported on Saturday.
»tinyurl.com/2gonce | |
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| Re: Toshiba just about ready to throw the towel in on hd dvd? said by ahhnold :According to Reuters a fat lady at Toshiba has thrown in her towel (hopefully she has more than one...): Toshiba to exit HD DVD, end format war-NHK TOKYO (Reuters) - Toshiba Corp is planning to stop production of equipment compatible with the HD DVD format for high-definition video, allowing the competing Blu-Ray camp a free run, public broadcaster NHK reported on Saturday. » tinyurl.com/2gonce "The company source told Reuters that Toshiba was in the final stages of planning to exit the HD DVD business and that an official decision would be made soon."
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dadkins
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Hercules, CA | Re: Toshiba just about ready to throw the towel in on hd dvd? Yep.
That pretty much says it right there. | |
| | pepperxn
join:2001-02-21
| I expect Paramount (which owns Dreamworks), Dreamworks Animation, Universal, and the others will jump ship really soon.
With Toshiba not making HD DVD players, there's no one really building the players. Since the beginning, I knew Blu-ray had the edge, this was a major reason. The PS3 helped a lot too.
I read on digg that both camps were trying to reach an agreement years ago, but someone told the HD DVD camp to go it alone. I'm thinking this could be Microsoft. Anyone read the theory? It would make sense. Microsoft wanted this battle, so they could perfect their download service.
I read what HD DVD fans say, and some (or a lot of them) don't understand the technology. Like one person said that Blu-ray won't win until it could read DVDs. But it can! It seems like they're not well educated on technology. The people who claim Blu-ray is the next Betamax most likely bought the next Betamax, HD DVD. If you see the full picture, Blu-ray is NOTHING like Betamax.
Sony was smart to include Blu-ray with PS3. The price was increased, but first adopters will buy it still, and the most hardcore gamers will buy it. I read that Sony didn't start building the PS3 units until like September or October, for a November 2006 release. If they started sooner, I'm sure the engineers would've found ways to cut the components, lowering the costs. Plus, the PS3 released at a time when there was a shortage of blue laser diodes. Right when that shortage ended, about $70 cut on the component. With these 2 things, we could've saw the 20GB PS3 for $399, and 60GB for $499. No matter what, Sony was looking ahead, and Blu-ray will win because of that. | |
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BF69
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Camden, TN
| Re: Toshiba just about ready to throw the towel in on hd dvd? said by pepperxn :I expect Paramount (which owns Dreamworks), Dreamworks Animation, Universal, and the others will jump ship really soon. Well of course why wouldn't they at this point? Unless they don't like to make money.
I read on digg that both camps were trying to reach an agreement years ago, but someone told the HD DVD camp to go it alone. Yes at one time the HD-DVD and blu-ray group tried to get together like they did for DVD. There was almost a format for for that technology too. They were smart enough to avoid that war. Both took a risk starting a war and HD-DVD lost. Blu-ray sort of loss too because this format could have been out there more and selling more already and the joining of forces would have led to faster advances and lower prices sooner.
I read what HD DVD fans say, and some (or a lot of them) don't understand the technology. The people who claim Blu-ray is the next Betamax most likely bought the next Betamax, HD DVD. If you see the full picture, Blu-ray is NOTHING like Betamax. If they knew their history betamax was equal to or better than VHS. They act like it was junk because it was made by Sony.
Sony was smart to include Blu-ray with PS3
I've been trying to tell people that for awhile now. I still see HD-DVD fanboys on other forums telling me how Sony was still stupid because they loss millions of $$$ on the PS3. Well yes initially, but unlike HD-DVD Sony will make up for that many times over in revenue from blu-ray movies. Also until 6 months ago the PS2 was the #1 selling console in the US and until last month was #2. I'm quite sure Sony makes a nice profit from the on the 200,000+ PS2s they sell per month for $130. Also from movies like Spiderman 3 that made $1 billion just in theaters worldwide. So it's not like Sony had all it's eggs in one basket unlike Toshiba.
If MS really wanted to support HD-DVD they would held off the XBOX 360 for 6-8 months and added in a HD-DVD player. The outcome of this war may have been different. And MS maybe would have had a chance to fix the issues with the RRoD BEFORE the 360 came to market. Considering that MS now rents HD downloads of movies that are available in both formats on XBL and took a full MONTH after the Warner announcement to drop it's price on it's HD-DVD add-on( kind of like the USSR declaring war on Japan 2 days after we drop the nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki )I think we know MS never really gave 2 shits about HD-DVD. | |
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| Re: Toshiba just about ready to throw the towel in on hd dvd? Toshiba Highly Likely To Withdraw From HD DVD Business
By YUKARI IWATANI KANE and SARAH MCBRIDE
February 16, 2008 9:57 p.m.
TOKYO -- Toshiba Corp. is highly likely to pull out of the HD DVD business early this week, people familiar with the situation said, marking the end of an intense battle over next-generation formats against Sony Corp.'s Blu-ray technology.
Since Time Warner Inc.'s Warner Bros. decided last month to support Blu-ray exclusively, sales of Blu-ray players and movies have started to gain momentum, leaving Toshiba to consider its options.
Recent announcements by major retailers like Best Buy Co. Inc. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. to support Blu-ray helped tip the scale, the people familiar with the situation said. | |
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wings10
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South Elgin, IL | All the ad's I have seen for DVD releases always say available on DVD, HD and Blu-ray.
Of course they are dropping the HD part now.
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| | whocares
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.. | Re: Toshiba just about ready to throw the towel in on hd dvd? there are a lot of "classic' movies that aren't in hd or blue ray | |
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clubs: | Re: Toshiba just about ready to throw the towel in on hd dvd? To an above post... BLU-RAY is not the best PQ.. There are HD-DVDs that surpass Blu-ray in quality, and then there are BR that are better then HD... That is a false statement on your part, sorry ;/. | |
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1 edit | said by DarnellP :» www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/con···c25aa58dNot surprising if true. Just too many hot & heavy blows against hd dvd since the beginning of the year. Even if this article is premature, even the most ardent hd dvd supporter has to see that whether it's a few weeks from now or a few months from now, Toshiba's surrender/defeat is inevitable. there are a lot of "classic' movies that aren't in hd or blue ray, so i guess that
1,SD,HD, aren't dead
2,The movie studios can make all the movies they want in Blue Ray,but UNTIL the broadcasters switch their equipment over or buy new equipment to broadcast or show the movies in "blue ray" then most of us will be watching SD,Hd,on DVD & VHS tapes
3,1 or 2 ,(even 1/2 a dozen COMPANIES) START MAKING "blue ray" dvd players,doesn't mean the end of HD.
The same thing was shouted & screamed,advertised when HD First came out (within the last year) and started being broad casted,""it was the end of SD
and then pple (gov't) started saying its the end of the old fashion tv sets with "rabbit ears" and now instead of everyone buying HD tv's,here come the coupons for converter box's to receive the Dig,signal come Feb 2009,[/b]
So all can rush out & buy the new blue ray players & recorders, (kinda like those that rushed out to buy the new Vista O/S,(and are now regretting that
decision} so you rush right out & feel free to buy the new blue ray player.
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so i think,(along with many others) that SD & HD might have a little fever or be sick, but on death row, NOT YET
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1 edit | Re: Toshiba just about ready to throw the towel in on hd dvd? said by whocares :there are a lot of "classic' movies that aren't in hd or blue ray, so i guess that 1, SD,HD, aren't dead2,The movie studios can make all the movies they want in Blue Ray,but UNTIL the broadcasters switch their equipment over or buy new equipment to broadcast or show the movies in "blue ray" then most of us will be watching SD,Hd,on DVD & VHS tapes A) broadcasters don't and won't ever broadcast in "blu-ray". They do broadcast in HD. Blu-ray just describes the laser that reads the disc. There is no disc to read for the broadcatsers to broadcast in HD. Jeez.
B) You can't watch HD on a VHS tape. VHS isn't even DVD quality. Also no movies have been put out in VHS format for 4 years now.
C) blu-ray is HD. Jeez Louise.
3,1 or 2 ,(even 1/2 a dozen COMPANIES) START MAKING "blue ray" dvd players,doesn't mean the end of HD. Of course not since blu-ray is HD. I think that bears repeating in your case.
The same thing was shouted & screamed,advertised when HD First came out (within the last year) and started being broad casted,""it was the end of SD
and then pple (gov't) started saying its the end of the old fashion tv sets with "rabbit ears" and now instead of everyone buying HD tv's,here come the coupons for converter box's to receive the Dig,signal come Feb 2009,[/b] The Feb 2009 transition to digital has NOTHING to do with HD. All it is, is that OTA( that stands for Over The Air ) signals are no longer going to be broadcast in analog they are going to be broadcast in digital only. That doesn't mean HD. So no you don't need a HDTV to watch digital OTA signals. You do however need a Tv that has a digital tuner or get a digital converter box othewise you won't see crap with your rabbit ears. of course as I said none of this has anyhting to do with the HD-DVD vs blu-ray war.
so i think,(along with many others) that SD & HD might have a little fever or be sick, but on death row, NOT YET No one is even talking about SD and once again blu-ray is HD. | |
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