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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
| Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink Yup - for each area we're serving, we've got to lease space in the CO and build our own racks and populate them with power equipment, DSLAMs and routers. The cost is roughly $50,000 to $100,000 per central office.
In the near term we're building many of the Sonoma County central offices:
Santa Rosa (two offices)
Petaluma
Sebastopol
Healdsburg
Windsor
Forestville (tiny town, but well situated CO and good competitive situation)
Notably the Cotati, Rohnert Park and Sonoma COs are not on this list. The reason is that the COs are far, far away from the population centers, so even if we're in them, there are very few people who would be within range of the product.
All of San Francisco is also in the road map - nine COs there.
Then, a bit of a surprise - we've completed our analysis and found that Santa Cruz, Berkeley and Albany are all very good potential markets, and we'll be building these as well.
The sum of this will bring us to 20 COs, and probably keep us busy for nine months or so. After that, we'll see how it's going and make decisions from there!
As for pricing of the bonded product, all of the product pricing is still being designed. The business product pricing will come out first, likely in the next week or so. The consumer ADSL2+ products will probably have pricing released in 30 days, give or take.
-Dane | |
| | dodgemedia
join:2005-05-28
Fairfield, CA | Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink How about the CO in cordelia??? | |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
| Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink said by dodgemedia  :How about the CO in cordelia??? Based only upon the overhead photo at maps.google.com, I would say that Cordelia is not the type of location that's likely to see these products. Sorry!
The criteria are density, customer proximity to the central office (which is sometimes related to density, but other times affected by really odd telco cable routing), and our current customer count in the market.
Berkeley, Albany and Santa Cruz are all examples of markets with very high density and low cable lengths - the reason is the same - both are sandwiched between the bay or ocean and the mountains. This creates a dense population center without any sprawl.
-Dane | |
| | xan_user
join:2004-11-18
Windsor, CA
| said by DaneJasper :..... Santa Rosa (two offices) Petaluma Sebastopol Healdsburg Windsor Forestville (tiny town, but well situated CO and good competitive situation) .... Is that in order installation? i.e. how long for windsor?
The folks in the boonies of Fo-ville will be lovin it! | |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
| Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink The order is likely to be Sonoma County and East Bay cities all pretty much around the same time, then SF and Santa Cruz to follow. Each one takes time to deploy, integrate and test, so it won't be all at once, and the specific per-city order isn't known yet.
-Dane | |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
| Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink said by Forever :I'm happy to see Santa Cruz on the list of towns that will be getting an upgrade.  Will this be both COs in Santa Cruz or just one of them? If I can I will be signing up the day this goes live.  Both Santa Cruz COs are planned for deployment.
Sorry, San Jose isn't on the list - it's sprawling, and thus difficult to serve economically.
-Dane | |
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JohnInSJ
Premium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
 ·Comcast
| Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink said by DaneJasper :Sorry, San Jose isn't on the list - it's sprawling, and thus difficult to serve economically. I know. Currently your offering is "better" then comcast, which is faster yet with invisible caps, but not static IPs (unless you pay some crazy business tier price for 1 static ip) and obviously the same speed as AT&T, since it's their loop you're selling me.
I guess I'll have to move to Santa Cruz. Finally, a good reason to move!
Yeah, not. Ah well, once again bypassed by the 21st century because I live in the heart of silicon valley.
Well, at least I got to help fund you when you were just getting started
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JohnInSJ
Premium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
·Comcast
| Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink said by bobrk :said by DaneJasper :Sorry, San Jose isn't on the list - it's sprawling, and thus difficult to serve economically. Heh. Downtown isn't. Yep, but I think we'll not see it from sonic, sadly. Really bad to have to hope AT&T has a usable offering, isn't it. I just cannot bring myself to consider the horror of going to AT&T.
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Forever1
join:2002-01-13
Santa Cruz, CA | Thanks for the replay Dane. 
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs: | We got a staff member home up with pair bonded ADSL2+ today. Up and running at 30Mbps down, 1.5Mbps up, at a bit over a mile of loop length. Very cool to see!
-Dane | |
| | | | billern
join:2003-01-22
Santa Rosa, CA
 ·SONIC.NET
| said by DaneJasper :We got a staff member home up with pair bonded ADSL2+ today. Up and running at 30Mbps down, 1.5Mbps up, at a bit over a mile of loop length. Very cool to see! 
I'm speechless. | |
| m3thuDmaN
join:2006-05-04
Redwood City, CA | This is pretty exciting Dane I hope everything goes great for you guys. If you can say, what do you think are the chances of us Sonic customers in the SF Peninsula seeing this in the near future?
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
| Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink said by m3thuDmaN :This is pretty exciting Dane I hope everything goes great for you guys. If you can say, what do you think are the chances of us Sonic customers in the SF Peninsula seeing this in the near future? Our Santa Rosa market was launched today with business products first, residential to follow.
For additional cities, we'll be covering most of Sonoma County, and San Francisco. Berkeley and Albany are likely, as is Santa Cruz. These will keep us busy for six to twelve months, I'd guess.
-Dane | |
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Kniveton
join:2001-09-20
San Francisco, CA | Don't you have some problems with bandwidth ratios of 30 Mb down : 1.5 Mb up? That's 20:1, whereas my current DSL has a ratio of 2:1. | |
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Tom415
| How about Marin county? San Anselmo to be specific. Will you be offering the service here? Thanks! | |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs: | Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink At this point, we've selected roughly 20 COs for initial deployment. That'll keep us busy for six to nine months - then at that point, we'll be better able to assess our success and decide where else we may go.
-Dane | |
| | | jhloaded
join:2008-03-25
Pleasanton, CA
·SONIC.NET
|  Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink
I'm going on Day 11 of no Sonic DSL service after moving to a 2 bedroom in the same complex. The only reason: Waiting for AT&T to make some equipment change at the CO. Absolutely ridiculous that we have to depend on that worthless company. | |
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Snypes
join:2003-12-29
Santa Rosa, CA | Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink Just an FYI, our ordering department mailed you today with a due date for your service. Please do check your Sonic.net email! | |
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join:2008-03-25
Pleasanton, CA
·SONIC.NET
| Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink Just saw that this morning when I got into the office. So AT&T can actually complete work. It's a miracle! Thanks for the heads up Snypes.
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Norm, The Enourmous Basset
Premium
join:2001-02-08
San Francisco, CA
·SONIC.NET
| I know that I, personally,could not be more excited about ASDL2 bonded pairs if there were actually some possibility that it would work for me. It won't, although on an aerial map I am within a mile of either of two COs, AT&T has managed to loop its cable so that I am two miles away by wire.
However, one academic question that has been conspicuously absent in the discussion of residential use is: "How much will it cost?"
I realize that the service has not even been launched yet, but could we have a ballpark estimate. For instance, will 8/1 service cost more than $40/mo.?
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Cordially, SANFRANSON | |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs: | Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink We haven't set residential retail pricing yet, sorry!
-Dane | |
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JohnInSJ
Premium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
·Comcast
| Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink said by DaneJasper :We haven't set residential retail pricing yet, sorry! If comcast figures out how to offer static IPs and continues to push speeds up, it could be too little too late. Of course, we're talking comcast - two hands and a flashlight, I doubt they could find their own static IP.
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
| Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink said by JohnInSJ :said by DaneJasper :We haven't set residential retail pricing yet, sorry! If comcast figures out how to offer static IPs and continues to push speeds up, it could be too little too late. Of course, we're talking comcast - two hands and a flashlight, I doubt they could find their own static IP. I think it's clear that there will be a lot of change in the next few years. There will be lots of various products available in different locations. I anticipate that we'll have some areas with significant competitive pressure, and others where we're the fastest game in town.
The big shift here is from a "me too" product (1.5, 3.0 and 6.0Mbps DSL), to a set of products and services that are differentiated from what others are doing. We're in the driver's seat, so we can be as innovative as possible.
For example, one item I'm imagining being a popular product in the future is a pair bonded ADSL2+ product where each of the two pairs delivers a different voice line. So, you'd have a primary voice line (with voicemail and such), and a second line - and perhaps the choice that it's a home office line (with voicemail) or a FAX line. The bundle could include both these lines, plus the bonded data across the two.
Lots of interesting possibilities.
-Dane | |
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JohnInSJ
Premium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
·Comcast
| Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink said by DaneJasper :The big shift here is from a "me too" product (1.5, 3.0 and 6.0Mbps DSL), to a set of products and services that are differentiated from what others are doing. We're in the driver's seat, so we can be as innovative as possible. Yep, I agree (and have been a customer since 2004 when sonic was pretty much the only real choice for knowledgeable DSL reseller with static IPs, because that's an attitude I can get behind...)
My fear with all DSL is that in the end, it still runs over that horrible copper loop from the 1900s. In my case, the 1950s - I'm on the last pair available to me since the other pair went out in 2002, and this pair's not all that great either (failed in the big storm this spring, but was cleaned up thankfully after a week of frantic calls to AT&T.) Some of us are unfortunately living in places you're not going to be expanding any of this innovation into.... we're stuck with whatever AT&T will let you rebrand. It makes us alternately grumpy and sad, depending on the day.
Keep kicking butt. You're my only hope. | |
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