ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink in Sonic.net http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19999358 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:48:45 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:48:45 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20327907 JohnInSJ :
said by DaneJasper See Profile :

The big shift here is from a "me too" product (1.5, 3.0 and 6.0Mbps DSL), to a set of products and services that are differentiated from what others are doing. We're in the driver's seat, so we can be as innovative as possible.
Yep, I agree (and have been a customer since 2004 when sonic was pretty much the only real choice for knowledgeable DSL reseller with static IPs, because that's an attitude I can get behind...)

My fear with all DSL is that in the end, it still runs over that horrible copper loop from the 1900s. In my case, the 1950s - I'm on the last pair available to me since the other pair went out in 2002, and this pair's not all that great either (failed in the big storm this spring, but was cleaned up thankfully after a week of frantic calls to AT&T.) Some of us are unfortunately living in places you're not going to be expanding any of this innovation into.... we're stuck with whatever AT&T will let you rebrand. It makes us alternately grumpy and sad, depending on the day.

Keep kicking butt. You're my only hope.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20327907 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:15:56 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20325759 DaneJasper :
said by JohnInSJ See Profile :

said by DaneJasper See Profile :

We haven't set residential retail pricing yet, sorry!
If comcast figures out how to offer static IPs and continues to push speeds up, it could be too little too late. Of course, we're talking comcast - two hands and a flashlight, I doubt they could find their own static IP.
I think it's clear that there will be a lot of change in the next few years. There will be lots of various products available in different locations. I anticipate that we'll have some areas with significant competitive pressure, and others where we're the fastest game in town.

The big shift here is from a "me too" product (1.5, 3.0 and 6.0Mbps DSL), to a set of products and services that are differentiated from what others are doing. We're in the driver's seat, so we can be as innovative as possible.

For example, one item I'm imagining being a popular product in the future is a pair bonded ADSL2+ product where each of the two pairs delivers a different voice line. So, you'd have a primary voice line (with voicemail and such), and a second line - and perhaps the choice that it's a home office line (with voicemail) or a FAX line. The bundle could include both these lines, plus the bonded data across the two.

Lots of interesting possibilities.

-Dane]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20325759 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 01:21:02 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20323865 JohnInSJ :
said by DaneJasper See Profile :

We haven't set residential retail pricing yet, sorry!
If comcast figures out how to offer static IPs and continues to push speeds up, it could be too little too late. Of course, we're talking comcast - two hands and a flashlight, I doubt they could find their own static IP.
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-Dane]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20306166 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:48:44 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20297513 highhatsize : I know that I, personally,could not be more excited about ASDL2 bonded pairs if there were actually some possibility that it would work for me. It won't, although on an aerial map I am within a mile of either of two COs, AT&T has managed to loop its cable so that I am two miles away by wire.

However, one academic question that has been conspicuously absent in the discussion of residential use is: "How much will it cost?"

I realize that the service has not even been launched yet, but could we have a ballpark estimate. For instance, will 8/1 service cost more than $40/mo.?

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I'm going on Day 11 of no Sonic DSL service after moving to a 2 bedroom in the same complex. The only reason: Waiting for AT&T to make some equipment change at the CO. Absolutely ridiculous that we have to depend on that worthless company.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222484 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:47:48 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20123796 DaneJasper : At this point, we've selected roughly 20 COs for initial deployment. That'll keep us busy for six to nine months - then at that point, we'll be better able to assess our success and decide where else we may go.

-Dane]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20123796 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:27:49 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20110899 anon : How about Marin county? San Anselmo to be specific. Will you be offering the service here? Thanks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20110899 Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:43:00 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20109063 Kniveton : Don't you have some problems with bandwidth ratios of 30 Mb down : 1.5 Mb up? That's 20:1, whereas my current DSL has a ratio of 2:1.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20109063 Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:01:23 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20104439 DaneJasper :
said by m3thuDmaN See Profile :

This is pretty exciting Dane I hope everything goes great for you guys. If you can say, what do you think are the chances of us Sonic customers in the SF Peninsula seeing this in the near future?
Our Santa Rosa market was launched today with business products first, residential to follow.

For additional cities, we'll be covering most of Sonoma County, and San Francisco. Berkeley and Albany are likely, as is Santa Cruz. These will keep us busy for six to twelve months, I'd guess.

-Dane]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20104439 Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:04:40 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20104141 m3thuDmaN : This is pretty exciting Dane I hope everything goes great for you guys. If you can say, what do you think are the chances of us Sonic customers in the SF Peninsula seeing this in the near future?
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said by DaneJasper See Profile :

We got a staff member home up with pair bonded ADSL2+ today. Up and running at 30Mbps down, 1.5Mbps up, at a bit over a mile of loop length. Very cool to see!
:o
I'm speechless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20050785 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:43:05 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20047257 DaneJasper : New blog entry on this topic:

»corp.sonic.net/blog/2008/02/22/3···s-house/

-Dane]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20047257 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:07:51 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20047136 DaneJasper : We got a staff member home up with pair bonded ADSL2+ today. Up and running at 30Mbps down, 1.5Mbps up, at a bit over a mile of loop length. Very cool to see!

-Dane]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20047136 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:07:40 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20035790 JohnInSJ :
said by bobrk See Profile :

said by DaneJasper See Profile :

Sorry, San Jose isn't on the list - it's sprawling, and thus difficult to serve economically.
Heh. Downtown isn't. ;)
Yep, but I think we'll not see it from sonic, sadly. Really bad to have to hope AT&T has a usable offering, isn't it. I just cannot bring myself to consider the horror of going to AT&T.
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said by DaneJasper See Profile :

Sorry, San Jose isn't on the list - it's sprawling, and thus difficult to serve economically.
Heh. Downtown isn't. ;)
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said by veloslave See Profile :

I don't know about Santa Cruz John... I think I would go with Santa Rosa for the digit change... fat pipes and crash the Sonic office parties :D
Yeah, but there are crazier people in Cruz...

Its frustrating to see stuff get rolled out around you...

Hey, at least comcrap upgraded our cable service a few years ago from the old A/B system they must have wired up in the 70s. Woohoo!

Good luck with the upgrades. They sound fantastic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20006766 Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:19:28 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20005385 DaneJasper :
said by veloslave See Profile :

I don't know about Santa Cruz John... I think I would go with Santa Rosa for the digit change... fat pipes and crash the Sonic office parties :D
We had one tonight - took 150 people out to see "Jumper". Not a great flick, but it was fun.

I try to limit the BS as much as possible. :)

-Dane]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20005385 Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:16:28 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20005085 veloslave : What other company can you have cool conversations with the big guy himself on a regular basis? Sure is refreshing to see such candidness instead of the usual smoke and mirror BS you get from every other company out there.

I don't know about Santa Cruz John... I think I would go with Santa Rosa for the digit change... fat pipes and crash the Sonic office parties :D
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said by dodgemedia See Profile :

How about the CO in cordelia???
Based only upon the overhead photo at maps.google.com, I would say that Cordelia is not the type of location that's likely to see these products. Sorry!

The criteria are density, customer proximity to the central office (which is sometimes related to density, but other times affected by really odd telco cable routing), and our current customer count in the market.

Berkeley, Albany and Santa Cruz are all examples of markets with very high density and low cable lengths - the reason is the same - both are sandwiched between the bay or ocean and the mountains. This creates a dense population center without any sprawl.

-Dane]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20004734 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:47:37 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20004722 DaneJasper : The order is likely to be Sonoma County and East Bay cities all pretty much around the same time, then SF and Santa Cruz to follow. Each one takes time to deploy, integrate and test, so it won't be all at once, and the specific per-city order isn't known yet.

-Dane]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20004722 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:43:56 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20004677 xan_user :
said by DaneJasper See Profile :

.....

Santa Rosa (two offices)
Petaluma
Sebastopol
Healdsburg
Windsor
Forestville (tiny town, but well situated CO and good competitive situation)
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Is that in order installation? i.e. how long for windsor?

The folks in the boonies of Fo-ville will be lovin it!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20004677 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:31:02 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20004202 dodgemedia : How about the CO in cordelia???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20004202 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:40:59 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20003846 JohnInSJ :
said by DaneJasper See Profile :

Sorry, San Jose isn't on the list - it's sprawling, and thus difficult to serve economically.
I know. Currently your offering is "better" then comcast, which is faster yet with invisible caps, but not static IPs (unless you pay some crazy business tier price for 1 static ip) and obviously the same speed as AT&T, since it's their loop you're selling me.

I guess I'll have to move to Santa Cruz. Finally, a good reason to move!

Yeah, not. Ah well, once again bypassed by the 21st century because I live in the heart of silicon valley.

Well, at least I got to help fund you when you were just getting started ;)
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said by Forever :

I'm happy to see Santa Cruz on the list of towns that will be getting an upgrade. :)

Will this be both COs in Santa Cruz or just one of them?

If I can I will be signing up the day this goes live. ;)
Both Santa Cruz COs are planned for deployment.

Sorry, San Jose isn't on the list - it's sprawling, and thus difficult to serve economically.

-Dane]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20003227 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:40:04 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20003087 JohnInSJ : And some in san jose? :(

Maybe phase II.
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Will this be both COs in Santa Cruz or just one of them?

If I can I will be signing up the day this goes live. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20001914 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:51:22 EDT Re: ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20000629 DaneJasper : Yup - for each area we're serving, we've got to lease space in the CO and build our own racks and populate them with power equipment, DSLAMs and routers. The cost is roughly $50,000 to $100,000 per central office.

In the near term we're building many of the Sonoma County central offices:

Santa Rosa (two offices)
Petaluma
Sebastopol
Healdsburg
Windsor
Forestville (tiny town, but well situated CO and good competitive situation)

Notably the Cotati, Rohnert Park and Sonoma COs are not on this list. The reason is that the COs are far, far away from the population centers, so even if we're in them, there are very few people who would be within range of the product.

All of San Francisco is also in the road map - nine COs there.

Then, a bit of a surprise - we've completed our analysis and found that Santa Cruz, Berkeley and Albany are all very good potential markets, and we'll be building these as well.

The sum of this will bring us to 20 COs, and probably keep us busy for nine months or so. After that, we'll see how it's going and make decisions from there!

As for pricing of the bonded product, all of the product pricing is still being designed. The business product pricing will come out first, likely in the next week or so. The consumer ADSL2+ products will probably have pricing released in 30 days, give or take.

-Dane]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20000629 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:14:55 EDT ADSL2, bonding, market areas, CLEC and kitchen sink http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19999358 veloslave : Instead of starting a few threads.... :p

I was wondering if the new ASDL2 service needs to have your own equipment in the CO? I think I read that already. I Was thinking that must be pretty interesting to sit back and think... "where do we go next?" now that you are starting to pwn Santa Rosa. :)

I was reading up a little in the blog »dane.users.sonic.net/blog/ on the bonding stuff and frankly... that gives me much geek desire. Is that going to be something that will be affordable to the mere mortal... or at least a geek willing to pay more than he really should to have the big pipe?

Your CLEC good for the whole state right? You can now make the move on any city you want... say like Pleasant Hill for example? Hmmm... maybe I should also keep the name Martinez getting some air time since I have a Martinez prefix even though I live right over the border in Martinez. That being the case (I have 925-228 prefix from Martinez) does that mean that my services come from the Martinez CO even though I live in Pleasant Hill? I live about 5 miles away from the Martinez CO but I sure get great speeds here with my Extreme account.
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