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RadioDoc
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And let's not forget...

...the kids who send "questionable" pictures of each other via cell phone cameras, which later show up on the web.

This is akin to herding kittens. Fun to discuss but there is no actual way to control it. That's why you'll only see convictions for possession of child pornography since the producers are almost impossible to identify.
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AlsknSnoBals

join:2007-05-17
Anchorage, AK

Two things about kiddie porn from someone who has inside knowledge of this whole affair from a law enforcement standpoint.

First, the whole kiddie porn scare is nothing but that....convince everyone that their neighbor is a child molester so we can sit and watch their Internet, bug their phone, and create a surveillance society with huge federal grants that we can spend any way we choose. Second, the number one purveyors of "kiddie" porn are horny sixteen year olds who are screwing over the Internet while their mother and father sit in the front room and plot to blow up abortion clinics.

All these stories we hear are made to sound like they're happening every fifteen minutes everywhere. In truth, most of these stories (95/100) are trumped up, enhanced, or an outright lie to keep everyone scared so they're easy to control. Those who can't be controlled will simply be accused and no conviction is necessary. Only the ones who have money will fight back, the rest will do what they're told.



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said by AlsknSnoBals:

the whole kiddie porn scare is nothing but that....convince everyone that their neighbor is a child molester so we can sit and watch their Internet, bug their phone, and create a surveillance society......

Second, the number one purveyors of "kiddie" porn are horny sixteen year olds who are screwing over the Internet while their mother and father sit in the front room and plot to blow up abortion clinics.
Let's recap that for our audience. You maintain that hundredfold increase of k-porn is a due to a non-existent, scare mongered cause.

You then follow that up by informing us that the actual cause of the causeless volume of k-porn is a sizable number of 16 year old k-porn creators.
Oh, and by the way, there's an equally huge number of parents actively plotting to blow up abortion clinics.

The abridged version: Huge increase in k-porn, but no actual k-porn-ers putting it out there.
and
Huge numbers of parents getting ready to bomb abortion clinics, but no abortion clinics getting bombed.

So that's it then?

NV
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AlsknSnoBals

join:2007-05-17
Anchorage, AK

Go ahead and believe what you want. When your turn comes (or your teenage son's turn, whichever the case may be), you'll see that the old addage is true. Experience truly is the best teacher. I went into law enforcement with good intentions. Like many people, I wanted to end a lot of the sickness that preys off of not just society, but families. What I found was an organization devoted not to justice, but scaring people for more money. Virtually every case that involves kiddie porn is trumped. If the government does not (and this is from the inside) have the evidence, they can create it because they know that very few people have $100,000+ to spend on a full blown investigation, trial, and appeals.

It's a money scheme and an exaggerated case that supports a whole cottage industry of cops, psychologists, lawyers, judges, and bondsmen while destroying more lives than it saves. Nobody says that there aren't sick people, but the numbers based on actual case by case evidence tells us that sick people do not account for nearly as many as KP Inc. leads us to believe. If parents would make better use of their responsibility over what their teenage children do and make them do homework instead of cybersex with their Internet squeeze, most of that stuff would disappear overnight.


RadioDoc
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Very well said.


Kearnstd
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reply to RadioDoc
they claim its for the kids but really its network management and packet shaping in sheep's clothing. if they make it hard to do anything multimedia on the phone but say its in the name of stopping kiddie porn nobody will say anything against it.
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jc100

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Let's not forget Myspace and facebook where kids regularly webcam "friends" or send provocative pictures around. Hence, you run into loads of legal questions.

1) Do you sue the web site because the kids lied and said they were 18 to join (I say no).

2) Do you blame the parents (I say yes and no. It's their job to know what their kid does, but you can't know everything either. Plus many parents fear computers and their kids know more than they do).

3) What do you do when kids send images of a sexual nature around? Obviously no one coerced them if its between two individuals of the same age. Hence, you now have an "Illegal" image but such image was created willingly. Therefore, it's not like you can go arrest the kid for doing it.

As a result, my opinion is the only way to solve some of this problem is education. Kids need to learn internet safety and to know what they send online will exist indefinitely. When they are 50, that picture they took at 14 will still be around in one shape or form. Most of them don't realize this fact. Consequently, stuff they did as a kid can turn around and haunt them in their adult and professional lives. Simply put, most kids don't understand or think this far ahead and the need to be taught to do just that.



AlsknSnoBals

join:2007-05-17
Anchorage, AK

It's really a very simple case. Most parents in America are like Kyle's mom on Southpark. It's not their kids' fault that they're screaming little heathens who cause problems for society at large. It's our fault for living and giving them the opportunity to cause problems in the first place. Besides, their son or daughter is a good Christian kid who would "never do anything like that."

Fewer people would have problems and the government could pass fewer laws if more parents got spanked for shirking their responsibility as the adult. I can't count the number of times I heard a kid with the filthiest mouth I ever heard (and that's quite a few) after they got caught doing something wrong. When we released them to their parents, the parent was many times just as bad or worse and would swear we were "out to get their kid." Nevermind the fact the kid jacked some grandma out of her car at gunpoint. It's not their fault. It's grandma's fault for driving down the street.

The total lack of responsibility is why the government is passing more and more laws. Parents need to step back up and tell the psychologists to shut up and start disciplining their kids again. I'm a firm believer in spanking a kid, but when the parent is equally as corrupt thanks to modern psychology, the kid never stands a chance. It would be fine, except we are the ones that always have to pay for their problems because it's simply "not their fault."



RainWind7

join:2000-10-20
Van Wert, OH

Speaking of a lack of personal responsibility, here's a fun one for ya.

My fiance's sister just bought a new van. 10 minutes after buying it a 17 year old with no license and no insurance driving his parent's car and doing stupid shit in the snow in a parking lot hits her head on. Her brand new van is now worthless because its been in a head on collision.

I'm sure anyone who has wrecked a car knows that its never quite the same after its been repaired, and nobody will give you near what it's worth. Hell, when they carfax it and see the head-on collision they won't even consider buying it.

The police won't do anything. The mother said her 17 year old son stole the car. She obviously has no plans to punish him, and he didn't actually steal the car, but that was good enough for the police so there's no charges... nothing. The kid just gets to hit her van head on and walk off without even getting a slap on the wrist.

They told her that her only option is to sue them in civil court. So she has to pay out of pocket for a lawyer to sue someone... and the kid doesn't even get punished...

Let's not forget its a van with 4 children all under the age of 6 inside it. We're definitely teaching children personally respobility aren't we. It O.K. to run head first into a family vehicle.. nobody will punish you for it.

I have absolutely no faith in the police, and very little faith left in humanity.


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