TKJunkMail
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Re: hell ya.
said by guhuna  :No matter what, pirates are always going to come out on top. And why is that good except for thieves?
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guhuna
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Because I want a pipe that I can do what I want with it. I dont need (comshit) to tell me what I can and cant do.
It seems that only cable CO's have problem with people using BT.
The provider I am using at this moment (Paxio.net) even told me they welcome BT onto their network.
Now why cant comcast be so nice? |
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i use BT for alot of things above and beyond piracy.
haev you ever tried to collaborate with other musical artists who're 1400miles away using raw uncompressed audio while trying to build a drum and bass track from the ground up?
ever try to send them that file via a slower transfer method?
Trust me. bittorrent is an effective way to share large files with other people. BT is a tool, much like a gun, a computer or even a dump truck. How someone uses it is entirely seperate from the original purpose.
by your logic, TK, we should 1)ban guns because people use them to kill people, 2)ban computers because people use them to steal other people's identity, and 3) ban dump trucks because people use them to hide dead bodies occasionally.
doesn't make sense to me, but hey, it's your rose colored (or anti-piracy colored, really) glasses. |
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neonhomer
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clubs: | IIRC, Blizzard Entertainment uses Bittorrent to transfer updates for World of Warcraft... |
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said by TKJunkMail :said by guhuna :No matter what, pirates are always going to come out on top. And why is that good except for thieves? To which thieves are you referring and why do you choose those particular thieves?
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said by TKJunkMail :said by guhuna :No matter what, pirates are always going to come out on top. And why is that good except for thieves? To pirates, I'd agree - its not a good thing. However, for us legal users of BT, this is indeed welcome news. |
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root9
join:2005-04-08
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HAHAHA ,, you must be slightly misinformed TK Junk Mail and rest of you RIAA CRIA lovers.
Maybe you'd like to learn who the real thieves are:
Try to google video "Ring of Power" and watch it. All 6 hrs of it. Learn it, let it sink in ,, then maybe get back to us here and post some real comments.
Hint: download the video via BT and spread it around.
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james
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Bad argument. I have a car, I should be able to run over whoever I want with it!
A better point would be that copyright enforcement is not beneficial to either the artist or the consumer. The only people getting rich off the current copyright scheme are the middle men who contribute nothing. They USED to contribute by promoting bands and distributing their content, but now all that can be done by the average computer savy child. |
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knightmb
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said by TKJunkMail :said by guhuna :No matter what, pirates are always going to come out on top. And why is that good except for thieves? The "thieves" are really a moot point as they can use one of a million other ways to transfer files. You might as well say that "no matter what, smart people are always going to come out on top". I think that would fit better.
I can think of a few reasons just off the top of my head why it's good.
1) Better use of bandwidth when getting public files
2) Redundant setup so that one single failure doesn't take down the entire swarm
3) More research into better managing large file distribution
4) Gives you a better way to manage your network. If BT and all the others weren't under such a witch hunt, it would make it easier for the network admins to manage the traffic by just looking at a specific port or packet type. But now, with all the ISP trouble, they have to resolve to hiding the traffic so that it looks like web surfing, vpn, or e-mail habits instead. It would be wonderful to traffic shape via just a simple port than have to use special hardware to detect what the packets are doing causing more traffic overhead and costing a lot of money to maintain. |
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slimpickinz
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TK Junk Mail....
you obviously have never used the technology or you would not cry out "Thief" every time this subject is mentioned.
Get a friggin' grip. |
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Re: hell ya.
said by james :Bad argument. I have a car, I should be able to run over whoever I want with it! A better point would be that copyright enforcement is not beneficial to either the artist or the consumer. The only people getting rich off the current copyright scheme are the middle men who contribute nothing. They USED to contribute by promoting bands and distributing their content, but now all that can be done by the average computer savy child. Very well said.... |
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raduque
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Re: hell ya.
Bad analogy! This is more like the city doing something to the roads to prevent you from moving out of the lane you're in because there's a chance you might hit somebody on the side of the road.
Streets are open and free. It's up to you to follow or break the law and use the streets in a considerate way.
The same should be said of the SERVICE you are PAYING FOR. |
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Combat Chuck
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said by james :The only people getting rich off the current copyright scheme are the middle men who contribute nothing. Wrong, they contribute the ability to absorb risk and knowledge of the market.
If this weren't so bands wouldn't sign contracts with them.
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jester121
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Lake Zurich, IL | reply to james
Good thing there's no pirated software available as .torrents... 
It's not just about music and movies.  |
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jester121
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Lake Zurich, IL | reply to Work
That's surprising -- your files are shared and served by that many people? BT isn't really helpful for 1:1 sharing... |
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fiberguy
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If you want a pipe you can do with as you please, then you should look into a T-1 or something similar. It appears that DSL allows people to use their service much more freely... there's your answer.
Just in case you claim that DSL isn't available in your ares, that excuse doesn't excuse you or any user from violating the AUP/TOS in which you accepted and agreed to.
You also make mention that "It seems that only cable CO's have problem with people using BT." and for that I applaud you... This shouldn't have to be stated to you or anyone in the first place.. Cable is a shared medium and must be managed .. DSL, the slower connection, as you already may know, is a dedicated line to the CO and what you do does not affect others in your neighborhood.
Cable internet has ALWAYS been sold primarily as a residential service for residential type use. That's where I will stop. Anything further is guaranteed to double the current number of messages in this thread. |
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fiberguy
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.. and since you only download them, you should not be affected by the torrents, right?
Or wait.. is blizzard using the last mile end user to distribute their software in which they are being paid for by the end user? If so, then other "end users" are uploading the files FOR Blizzard. (I know the answer to this and am being obvious about something)
It's not your fault that Blizzard updates are being slowed down.. it's not Comcast or any other ISP's fault.. it's Blizzard's fault for not running their own data centers to upload the patches for you to download.
Blizzard, like any other revenue generating business, should not be distributing their patches on the backs of the ISP's last mile users.. they are collecting money each month from the end user in order to operate their business.
Where is the outrage from the paying users of Blizzard for this shoddy practice in the first place?
Sandvine affects upload streams of BT.. |
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fiberguy
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The majority of the traffic is piracy - yet so many people want to ignore that fact and justify it's wonderful uses.
The real bottom line here is that in the end, the "smart people" as is being stated here, that will come out on top will be the ISPs. It's only a matter of time if they can't traffic shape their networks to manage high users that they WILL move to a billing by the byte model.
Then, in that case, .... who really wins? and who loses?
The pirates don't win... the bulk of the end users lose when their bills go through the roof thanks to the smug piracy fighters.
These people fighting this BT battle are not doing anyone, including themselves, any favors. |
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james
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Yeah  Poor Adobe Photoshop became the standard for photo editing because of all that damned piracy! I wonder how many people actually paid for photoshop while they were learning on it and screwing around.
I downloaded a pirated copy of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and loved it, then I saw it on Steam and bought it.
I downloaded a pirated copy of Maya and have been learning how to use it, supposing I get good at 3d modeling and actually make money with it. I will then spend the money for a license (mostly because the penalty for corporate users is pretty bad).
Small amounts of piracy can be very good for a product. I'm not saying everyone should get everything for free, I'm just saying it's not as black and white as the lawyers are trying to make us think.
I make an exception for those who charge "customers" for the pirated product. Those are what the definition of Pirate SHOULD be. Anyone sharing for free shouldn't be punished, everyone knows sharing is caring 3 . |
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