graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| [Modem] Alcatel Speed Touch Home Hacked to Pro
I have one of these. In bridging mode, it works fine with RASPPPoE, native XP PPPoE, or one of those small home routers that does the PPPoE.
I am unable to get the Alcatel working when it does the PPP. Ideally, I would like to have it do what is known as DHCP Spoofing which is where the modem does the PPP but passes the obtained public IP back to the PC or router behind it.
I have read all the available FAQs and other online HOWTOs but no joy.
Does anyone have either PPP or DHCP Spoofing working with the service now?
I also have an Efficient Speedstream 5660. It works perfectly in both bridging and PPP modes.
What am I missing? Or is the Alcatel PPP stuff broken. |
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techieb0mb
join:2008-02-17
Philippines
|  Your alcatel speed touch home modem is actually a bridge modem. It does not have a firmware in it. Like the PPPoe, PPPoa, DHCP server or anything. Its just merely a bridge for your dsl signals to your computer. Now for your computer to be able to use those signals the DSLAM or the server should authenticate you first. And that is the use of the native pppoe of your windows xp. As soon as your authenticate you should be able to go online unless there are issues with your network, modem or the computer itself.
By the way do you get any error messages like error 619? |
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graysonf
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join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL | No, it's a Home that has been hacked to a Pro. It has the full complement of features you say it doesn't.
There is EXTENSIVE history and use of this hack all over the internet. You might want to read up on it some. |
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Airwolf7
Premium
join:2004-12-12
Franklin, KY
 ·AT&T Southeast
| reply to techieb0mb
Speed Touch Home hacked to Speed Touch 510 GUI. | 
Speed Touch 510. |
You can hack it and then the Alcatel Speed Touch will do what ever you tell it to do.
It's not very user friendly for "Joe Six-Pack" and the GUI is very limited. It won't hold your hand and tell you how to do anything, but if you access it's CLI through a Telnet session and are sharp enough then you can configure it to do anything that you can dream up. It took me forever to figure out the stuff buried deep in the CLI.
The Speed Touch Home model has all the guts in it to do what the more advanced models do. You just have to hack it's firmware to do so.
If it supported ADSL2/2+ and a few other newer standards I would throw all of my other modems in the trash.
Mine is a STHome hacked to STPro hacked to ST510v3.
Here is the user.ini config file for mine.
Warning: Do not try to create a config file from this.
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graysonf
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Fort Lauderdale, FL | ayou said:
"Mine is a STHome hacked to STPro hacked to ST510v3"
Exactly how did you do this?
Mine is a STHome hacked to STPro. How do you do the next step that takes it to a ST510v3? |
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Airwolf7
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Franklin, KY
·AT&T Southeast
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FROSTY  
That fellow up above would be the man that could help you.
I have done the exact same thing to my STHome when it was a STPro but have since hacked to a ST510 with the latest firmware Alcatel released for it that would work on the hardware in a STHome and even that firmware was a hacked version based on the Alcatel firmware.
If mine was still a STPro or if it were not such a pain to downgrade back to a STPro from a ST510 I would try to help you.
The main thing is that I just forget how to do some things if I don't fool with it on a kind of semi-regular basis.
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I started this reply to you while there were not any fish biting and there have been some replies since then.
I have some more info coming.
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Try this on for size.
"This document describes how you can configure an Alcatel SpeedTouch Pro ADSL modem not to use NAT anymore. This process is often called DHCP SPOOFING. The public IP will be sent to your machine by DHCP therefore eliminating NAT. It is also for setups where combination of an Ethernet gateway routers which do not have PPTP dialer support are in placed. Doing so will enable you to configure an internal router or a server that has routing software installed and have it receive an IP address from your ISP - instead of having the dialer obtain the address for you."
How to configure your Alcatel SpeedTouch ADSL modem not to use NAT?
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Lots of fellows don't like the Speed Touch hacked to ST510 and want to revert back to STPro.
Sometimes it can be a B*tch to do that and it is a involved process to do it. |
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Airwolf7
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Franklin, KY
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to graysonf
"This page contains a collection of Alcatel SpeedTouch Home, Pro and 510 articles, tips & tricks, whitepapers, useful tools and more."
Alcatel SpeedTouch Tips and Tricks?
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Lots of people don't like the Speed Touch modem after it has been upgraded to a Speed Touch 510 and it can be hard to go back to a Speed Touch Pro after it has been upgraded.
This document describes how you can configure an Alcatel SpeedTouch Pro ADSL modem and upgrade it to the 510 model.
How to upgrade your Alcatel SpeedTouch Pro ADSL modem to the 510 model?
Below is what the guy said about it that made the instructions.
"Note: I found that this upgrade is actually not as good as some people say and had it returned to the Pro model in less than 30 minutes flat. For one some of the more sophisticated settings from the Pro web console are now gone and I did not find a way to configure them. For example I could not find how to configure DHCP Spoofing in the 510 model, and that's something I needed for my home lab"
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I like it when upgraded to Speed Touch 510 and had no problems getting it to do what I wanted it to do.
All of the Alcatel's magic is in the CLI and not the GUI.
The Alcatel will do what you tell it to do and it is not easy to do it unless you are a "Rocket Scientist" and know all that kind of stuff.
I'm not a "Rocket Scientist" and I'm not stupid either, but I had plenty of time to kill Google searching and reading stuff written by "Rocket Scientist" type people until I wanted to throw the Alcatel out of the window.
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What is the model number on the bottom of your Alcatel and what version firmware is it running?
I will see if I can find the latest firmware version for a Speed Touch Pro and maybe a config file setup for what you are trying to do.
I think that you can upload config files on a Pro model, but I don't remember.
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Did you try the instructions on that guys site to configure your Alcatel for DHCP Spoofing? |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| I have been to that .l site and tried the DHCP Spoofing stuff. It does not work. I also tried the update to 510 but the firmware transfer failed My STH/P is a K model, not G.
The model # of my unit on the bottom is: 3EC18204BCAA03
The firmwares I have are:
KHDSDA3.270
KHDSAA3.270
KHDSAA.134
KHDSAA.133
KHDSAA.132
All work for bridging. None work for PPP or DHCP Spoofing. |
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Airwolf7
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Franklin, KY | My Alcatel is a "G" model, model# 3EC18804BCAB05 with firmware ver. GV8BAA3.742.
Let me do some checking to see what I can find out about your model. |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| I think this is my problem:
"Can a Speedtouch modem perform PPPoE authentication?
It depends. The majority of Alcatel Speedtouch modems do NOT have the PPPoE protocol or stack built in to them, therefore they cannot authenticate to a PPPoE based service without PPPoE software being installed on the client computer. (also known as bridge mode)
However, if your Speed Touch Pro (with firewall) modem has firmware version 3.430 or later, PPPoE authentication by the modem is possible. See here for more info: /forum/remark,10372806~mode=flat"
My firmware is not that high (.430) I do not have the screens shown here:
»Alcatel PPPoE
So the problem is I have PPP but not PPPoE. I need the firmware that does the PPPoE. |
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Airwolf7
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Franklin, KY | I'm hunting files for you.
It will take me awhile.
I must go to foreign websites. |
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Airwolf7
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Franklin, KY | reply to graysonf
Question: What are you trying to do? Can you not let the router do the PPPoE for you? |
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graysonf
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join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| What I am trying to do is use routing machinery that I already have here. It was expensive and no longer under support. It works fine with a bridge and DHCP or routed static IP service. I also does PPPoE but it does not work.
Bellsouth made recent changes in their PPPoE implementation that BROKE many software routers (BSD based pfsense and m0n0wall, and the code I use). There are large numbers of these in use and they were progressively crippled as ATT/Bellsouth rolled out this change.
I don't know if my code was working or not since I just only now joined this service. The last time I had DSL was when I had real, nailed up multi-static IP service. Routed, nailed up, not PPPoX.
The exact change Bellsouth made, discovered by some really serious netgeek programmers was that ATT/Bellsouth no longer hands out two DNS servers when negotiating the connection. The effected router code did not handle this situation, but has been allegedly fixed. I have tried the fixed code and it still does not work for me. But this isn't the code I want to use anyway, so I am not spending any more time on it.
What was interesting about this debacle was that the pfsense developers could not get ATT/Bellsouth to admit to making any changes to their PPPoE protocol. They were confronted with what was a progressive, not all at once, failure that spread across the whole region.
I could continue using the code I have if I could get what is called DHCP spoofing working with my Alcatel STH/Pro. If you don't know what that is, please read up on it before commenting further about it.
That's basically it. |
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graysonf
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join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| reply to Airwolf7
said by Airwolf7 :I'm hunting files for you. It will take me awhile. I must go to foreign websites. Thanx. I have beeen looking too, but can't find any applicable firmware. |
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FAQFixer
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Powder Springs, GA | reply to graysonf
Why not just get a new Motorola 2210 which has all the features you need plus a better chipset? You could get a free one in less than a day. |
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graysonf
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join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Correct me if I am wrong but I'm pretty sure I can't get one free under any conditions. I am on the $10 Lite (768/128) service. |
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gaviper
My Best Friend Is A Boxer
join:2000-09-04
Carrollton, GA
clubs:
| said by graysonf :Correct me if I am wrong but I'm pretty sure I can't get one free under any conditions. I am on the $10 Lite (768/128) service. With the $10 a month LITE plan, they charge for the modem unless you upgraded your service from BS/AT&T dial-up to the $10 LITE plan. IF you upgraded from dial-up, you can get a free modem. |
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graysonf
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join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL | I didn't upgrade from dialup.
And not that it matters, I seem to recall that the $10 plan was only available to new customers who never had ATT/Bellsouth dialup or ATT/Bellsouth DSL. |
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gaviper
My Best Friend Is A Boxer
join:2000-09-04
Carrollton, GA
clubs:
| said by graysonf : I seem to recall that the $10 plan was only available to new customers who never had ATT/Bellsouth dialup or ATT/Bellsouth DSL.
»www.bellsouth.com/consumer/inets···pop.html
See middle of page from link above.
Free DSL Modem for Upgrades from Dial to AT&T High-speed Internet Service.
A free DSL modem is available to customers who:
Currently have Dial service with AT&T or the former BellSouth
Have AT&T local phone service
Agree to a 12-month term commitment. There is an early termination fee of $37.50 to $75 for customers who do not complete the 12-month commitment.
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Airwolf7
Premium
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Franklin, KY
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to Airwolf7
Graysonf, I have searched the World over and have had no luck. I went to France, Brazil, Portugal, The Netherlands, Australia, Denmark, Israel, Great Britain, and a lot of other places. I searched web archives and dug through people's servers with no good news to report. I have been looking at so many foreign languages that my head is about to explode. If there is a latter firmware for the K model Alcatel then I just can't find it.
It seems as if firmware for the K model Alcatel does not exist past the Alcatel "World" firmware version KHDSAA3.290 the KHDSDA3.270 is the latest ISP customized version that I can find for BellSouth.
I guessing that the hardware you are connected to at the DSLAM does not work with PPPoA anymore and now only works with PPPoE and that is why you could not get the DHCP Spoofing to work with it.
It appears that you are SOL with the combination of hardware that you have now and one of them has to go.
This fellow in the thread below is having a similar type of problem as you. I don't know how it turned out for him because we have not heard back from him. I know it's not exactly like your problem but it seems to be similar to yours.
»[Modem] Bad Netopia 2241N-VGx? / no IP Passthrough
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I wish that I had some good news for you but it looks like "Lady Luck" has not been kind to us.
I reckon that you are going to have to get a new modem.
The Motorola 2210-02-1006 is the newest one in the AT&T Southeast region and it has a lot of configuration options and maybe one of them would work for you.
It's a little bitty thing and you probably could put four of them inside of an Alcatel Speed Touch. It has an option called IP Passthrough and I don't know if that is the same as DHCP Spoofing but it sounds like it might work about the same. |
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