DaveNJ
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Just like Iden, Nextel Sprint is burying itself in proprietary technologies. When manufactures have a choice between LTE which serves all the USA thru Verizon ATT, Tmobile Or WiMax which serves Sprint users. Which are they going to choose. Sprint get with the program, and join the rest of the world. |
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Matt
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| said by DaveNJ  :Just like Iden, Nextel Sprint is burying itself in proprietary technologies. When manufactures have a choice between LTE which serves all the USA thru Verizon ATT, Tmobile Or WiMax which serves Sprint users. Which are they going to choose. Sprint get with the program, and join the rest of the world. This is actually a good thing for consumers. Do you really want to be subject to a single network no matter if you use AT&T or Verizon? I sure don't, because a single problem could affect everyone.
I think this is a good move for Sprint, especially since Intel will include a WiMAX chipset in any Centrino branded laptop. Imagine turning on your laptop and "Hey, there's a wireless network available ..."
Sprint's customer service may blow chunks, but they are VERY good at engineering and running a network. |
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xenophon
join:2007-09-17 | reply to DaveNJ
LTE is more proprietary than WiMAX. LTE is about carrier control. WiMAX is more open and has a much better chance getting into consumer devices than LTE.
LTE will become a closed form of telcom communism. WiMAX is for the people. |
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xenophon
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Sprint's customer service may blow chunks, but they are VERY good at engineering and running a network.
They do seem to have the better 3G network in the US. And the Xohm group will have it's own customer service and billing group. But they may end up spinning off from Sprint anyway.
And while LTE may end up having the larger network globally in the end, WiMAX will still be rolled out in most countries anyway. India plans to hit 200m pops with WiMAX. Korea and Japan are headed to major deployments. Europe is working on allocating spectrum for WiMAX. LTE won't be available for 3 years. WiMAX is just about here.
Saying both can't co-exist is like saying cable and DSL cannot. And WiMAX/LTE business plans have much greater difference from each other than cable/DSL. |
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Lumberjack
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And don't think that the same tech will allow a device to roam between them. SIM provides that now with many carriers but phones can still be locked and who know what the next gen phones will do in terms of locking (maybe perm like current sprint/verizon cdma phones).
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xenophon
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| WiMAX is about IEEE specs, not carrier lockdowns. Like WiFi, a consumer electronics maker just needs to drop in a WiMAX-compliant chipset. No need to involve the carrier in the development cycle or testing just as you don't see them dealing with WiFi providers. We'll be able to see WiMAX in any kind of device that could benefit from being on the Net. This simply won't happen with LTE. |
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DaveNJ
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said by xenophon :LTE is more proprietary than WiMAX. LTE is about carrier control. WiMAX is more open and has a much better chance getting into consumer devices than LTE. LTE will become a closed form of telcom communism. WiMAX is for the people. This is completely false. LTE and WiMax are transport methods. CDMA, GSM etc can all be open, its just the carriers choose to enforce carrier locks. Wimax is just a transport method, its no more locked, or unlocked then any other method. |
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EPS
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This has to be the greatest misuse of the word "communism" ever made. |
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DaveNJ
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said by Matt :said by DaveNJ :Just like Iden, Nextel Sprint is burying itself in proprietary technologies. When manufactures have a choice between LTE which serves all the USA thru Verizon ATT, Tmobile Or WiMax which serves Sprint users. Which are they going to choose. Sprint get with the program, and join the rest of the world. This is actually a good thing for consumers. Do you really want to be subject to a single network no matter if you use AT&T or Verizon? I sure don't, because a single problem could affect everyone. I think this is a good move for Sprint, especially since Intel will include a WiMAX chipset in any Centrino branded laptop. Imagine turning on your laptop and "Hey, there's a wireless network available ..." Sprint's customer service may blow chunks, but they are VERY good at engineering and running a network. You got my point but in reverse. Sprint a single Wimax carrier. Big 3. ATT Tmobile, Verizon. So you have a choice of 3 LTE carriers, or 1 WiMax. Why would i buy a laptop, which i could subscribe to a single carrier? If you have a cdma cell phone, you in the exact situation you describe.. |
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Exactly, the idea behind WiMAX is the same as Wi-Fi, you aren't lock to a single service, you go to a hotspot and it is either free or you have to buy service at the counter. With WiMAX you could just login and be connected at much farther distances.
And I thought it was going to be set up so that if you have WiMAX service you could roam into Wi-Fi service area and get the faster Wi-Fi. |
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jay_rm
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said by DaveNJ :Just like Iden, Nextel Sprint is burying itself in proprietary technologies. Since when is WiMAX a 'proprietary technology' of Sprint ???
It's a world-wide open standard of the IEEE.
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xenophon
join:2007-09-17 | reply to DaveNJ
I'm talking more about the business model, not the technology. The technologies are both essentially OFDM. The carrier controlled business model of LTE is not as open as the WiMAX business model. |
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en102
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Valencia, CA | Definately. The most locked today is the CDMA business model, followed by GSM and iDEN
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xenophon
join:2007-09-17 | reply to EPS
Hehe.. I got carried away.  |
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DaveNJ
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said by xenophon :I'm talking more about the business model, not the technology. The technologies are both essentially OFDM. The carrier controlled business model of LTE is not as open as the WiMAX business model. Right. The transport method is completely independent of the business model. Hence Wimax is no more open, then any other wireless interface tech.
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patcat88
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said by Luker3 :
Exactly, the idea behind WiMAX is the same as Wi-Fi, you aren't lock to a single service, you go to a hotspot and it is either free or you have to buy service at the counter. With WiMAX you could just login and be connected at much farther distances.
And I thought it was going to be set up so that if you have WiMAX service you could roam into Wi-Fi service area and get the faster Wi-Fi.
And why is this being deployed by an existing cellphone company? Why does WIMAX require frequency licenses from the govt? Why is Wimax a national network? Why is there a monthly fee? Why isn't it free?
Keep drinking your Koolaid. Wimax is just a cellphone network standard like any other, except it will be force bundled with Intel laptops, and not initially carrier locked. |
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xenophon
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I'll be more specific next time... the way WiMAX is being deployed is more open with less ability for carrier control. LTE will continue to be carrier controlled.
You can argue the semantics but the bottom line is that the WiMAX ecosystem is designed to be put onto any consumer device with no involvement of carriers, like WiFi. LTE is not heading down that path and will still likely have carriers in control.
I could see WiMAX on generic MP3 players, gps devices, PSP/gameboy, etc. The makers don't have to deal with the carriers. I don't see LTE on such devices (broadly) long term. |
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xenophon
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Actually WiMAX is planned for unlicensed spectrum too but it will show up in licensed first. In the US, Sprint and Clearwire own the bulk of 2.5Ghz spectrum but there are other smaller players already deploying in that range in Madison, MO, TX and other smaller areas. But WiMAX is also targeted at other spectrums. WiMAX also has profiles for 2.3 and 3.5Ghz. 700mhz may be added. And then unlicensed may eventually come.
Sprint/Clearwire don't control WiMAX in the US, they just control 2.5Ghz spectrum in some markets. WiMAX isn't just about 2.5Ghz so isn't just about Sprint/Clearwire.
There will likely be other WiMAX providers in the US down the road even if the major carriers don't go for it.
The challenge will be to get WiMAX chipsets that support all possible spectrums. |
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said by DaveNJ :Just like Iden, Nextel Sprint is burying itself in proprietary technologies. When manufactures have a choice between LTE which serves all the USA thru Verizon ATT, Tmobile Or WiMax which serves Sprint users. Which are they going to choose. Sprint get with the program, and join the rest of the world. Maybe you been spending too much time on DSLR but WiMAX seems to be all over the place (spotty at best) but at least it's already out there. LTE is where? On someones sticky note in VZ's corp office. Wimax has more uses and not just making phone calls. LTE will be deployed just like ALL VZ's services, tower by tower, town by town. So, in about 2 years, maybe 80% of it's market will be able to use it. AT&T, heck, who cares? They are just now bumping up to what some of us call 3G.
And why would you buy a laptop that's locked to one carrier? Think the control freeks at VZ are going to allow AT&T types to "roam" for free? Dang dude.. puff puff pass..  |
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jay_rm
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said by patcat88 :Keep drinking your Koolaid. Wimax is just a cellphone network standard like any other, except it will be force bundled with Intel laptops, and not initially carrier locked. Actually....
WiMAX was ORIGINALLY designed as a broadband internet access standard. As subscriber 'telephone' devices started to morph into do-all, end-all, bell and whistle boxes, they became more like access modems with telephone call (VoIP ?) like features.
Nextel was desperately behind in 3G+ capability and, with the addition of Sprint, decided to try and end-run the competition by pledging to deploy a broadband access network instead of "just another cell system" (JACS ?? ) The result was that big dollars bought out the original implementers of WiMAX (anybody remember a company called NextNet ?) and the competitors stepped in with UMTS & LTE because they too saw the writing on the wall. Now, WiMAX is in danger of being hijacked for what you called 'just a cellphone network standard'.
You don't happen to work for someone deploying UMTS or LTE, do you ? I, for one, hope WiMAX retains a lot of it's broadband access feel - I have need for rural high speed access - the original plan for the standard.
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