Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20030871 en Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:52:43 EDT Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:52:43 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20033978 anon : n
said by jc100 See Profile :

I urge you to go back to school and learn a bit more before being a smartass. As I told the poster above, HYDROGEN IS NOT EXPLOSIVE WITHOUT TWO THINGS:

1) OXYGEN
2) IGNITION SOURCE

Pure hydrogen WITHOUT THOSE TWO ELEMENTS DOES NOT BURN. Hence, I urge you to learn a bit before you speak and pretend to be smart. Some of US PAID ATTENTION IN CLASS during our years in school. OTHERS DID NOT (YOU)

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Yes now I do not know if what Amigo did could work or not. But some hydrogen in a toy leaking balloon with matches thrown at it could ignite. Now the memories of a young child saying picking stuff out of the mouth etc. is young kids memories. Not I was taken to the hospital with major burns and barely lived.
If it did work and happen probably a small fire and standing way too close as kids at that age do. So long ago memories are exaggerated not wrong.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20033978 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:22:58 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20032944 Zerny : Hey they did it with the Apollo missions when we faked the moon landing im sure getting the transceiver down wont be a problem]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20032944 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:33:26 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20032581 dvd536 :
said by UglyDork See Profile :

said by antwanp See Profile :

A hydrogen balloon igniting that high up would burn up so fast that it wouldn't be of any danger to people on the ground.

-Antwan L.
Except for the falling transceiver. :o ;)
it'd probably burn up in the atmosphere. nothing usable to recover.
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--Edit for clarity]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20032372 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:55:40 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20032146 Vertickle : So the answer is both?

P.S. I don't plan of quiting my day job. It affords me time to read what stupid people post on internet forums. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20032146 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:19:39 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20032007 james1 : High tension power lines are not insulated, but the lines are kept very far apart to protect from arcing. A great number of the older residential area power lines have the insulation sloughing off, the leads going to the transformers (they look like garbage cans) are often exposed as well. It would be easier than you think to get a nice arc out of them, especially on a windy day, with something wrapped around them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20032007 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:57:54 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031955 jc100 : Pretty much. I'm not a scientist, I just remember College physics where I learned this stuff. Amazing I remember it, too. I guess I did pay attention, and this useless knowledge stays with you. As per the risk, yes its minimal. I mean all and all, there would have to be a lot of misfortune for such a disaster to occur. The biggest risk would be from the payload falling and striking someone or something. I mean I am sure that MAYBE one of these balloons can be under the rare conditions to explode. Most likely, it'd happen in the air as you said. If the balloon deflated and landed on a power line, I suspect it'd be fine. I am no expert but I THINK (and I might be wrong because I'm not the electrician in the family), that power lines themselves are not charged unless said wires are exposed. IE, what we see on the lines are wires within insulation. Therefore, the balloon would have to land or break a powerline, for such an event to occur. Being I doubt they are heavy, this is very unlikely.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031955 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:48:37 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031888 james1 : I'm not sure how much hydrogen they have left in them when they come down, but if it's enough to cause some damage I'd be worried about it getting snagged on high tension power lines, tearing and an arc happening (how does hydrogen compare to air as a conductor?) or doing the same in one of those outdoor power distribution places.

I do think all of us must agree that if it blew up in the air (doesnt matter how), the most dangerous part would be the falling payload and not the explosion itself.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031888 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:36:22 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031775 jc100 : Ever heard of E= MC2 that was Einsteins formula for splitting the atom and making it explosive. Hence, the term splitting the atom or why the bomb in WW2 was a HYDROGEN BOMB.

As per the necessary tools to make this happen via nature:

The burning process in the case of oxygen and hydrogen is relatively simple. If you put together suitable volumes of hydrogen and oxygen and provide a spark to start the reaction, one oxygen atom will combine with two hydrogen atoms, and will release energy in the process. The energy gets released in the form of molecular kinetic energy, and since the motion is random, this is exactly what we call heat energy. The gases heat up, and as all expanding gases do, they expand. That fast expansion of hot gases is what we call "an explosion".

There you go. Maybe you should have read the article and YOU WOULD NOT BE CONFUSED.

P.S. Don't quit your day job. Stay in school Please.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031775 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:18:57 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031755 jc100 : Where the heck does that apply here? Also, people do kill people. An inanimate object DOES NOT do anything without human or some other intervention. As with the case of hydrogen, as you OBVIOUSLY did not know. Off topic to the gun issue, people own guns. People use guns. Therefore, it doesn't matter if a gun in it's natural state doesn't kill. People are the ones who use them (as per their intent). Therefore people + guns do kill. Guns cannot kill on their own. Therefore, you justifiably regulate people on buying of guns, since the "guns themselves... IE inanimate object" are not the culprit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031755 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:15:24 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031751 Vertickle : So which is it?

said by jc100 See Profile :

HYDROGEN IS NOT EXPLOSIVE WITHOUT TWO THINGS:

1) OXYGEN
2) IGNITION SOURCE
or

said by jc100 See Profile :

Hydrogen IS NOT explosive unless the atom is split.
I'm confused... :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031751 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:14:38 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031727 jc100 : Actually, the guy was being a jerk about it =) So I had to school him. As per the rip, it's unlikely All three elements would come together. Seriously, there'd have to be a tear in the balloon and a spark to ignite it once oxygen and hydrogen mixed. That's pretty unlikely. I guess if lightning struck it, that MIGHT be possible, but highly improbable. Anyhow, the risk to the farmer is minimal unless he or she is DUMB ENOUGH to be smoking while launching said balloons (as per your comment). In that case, yes, you might have Hindenburg and a toasty farmer pending a sizable leak was present and enough hydrogen and oxygen mixed. Once again, it would be HIGHLY UNLIKELY for such an event to occur.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031727 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:10:18 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031712 MyDogHsFleas : Yes hydrogen must be mixed with air/oxygen to be explosive. And yes it needs an ignition source. So technically it's a "flammable gas". ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031712 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:08:30 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031682 james1 : Stop waving your fancy high school edumacashun in our faces!

No, but seriously, you're getting pretty worked up for nothing. There obviously is a danger with even pure helium if the balloons are torn or drift somewhere they shouldn't.
Just because the hydrogen isn't mixed with oxygen at the moment, that ignores the fact that if the thin skin of the balloon tears there is an IMMEDIATE source of oxygen, and depending on where this tear occurrs, there may be an ignition source nearby.

Luckily the only real danger is to the farmers who are probably smoking while filling the "flyin internets robots" up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031682 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:03:24 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031644 amigo_boy :
said by jc100 See Profile :

I urge you to go back to school and learn a bit more before being a smarta$$. As I told the poster above, HYDROGEN IS NOT EXPLOSIVE WITHOUT TWO THINGS:

1) OXYGEN
2) IGNITION SOURCE
I'll remember this the next time you go off against private gun ownership. ("Hydrogen doesn't kill people, people kill people.").

:D

Mark]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031644 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:56:16 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031586 jc100 : I urge you to go back to school and learn a bit more before being a smartass. As I told the poster above, HYDROGEN IS NOT EXPLOSIVE WITHOUT TWO THINGS:

1) OXYGEN
2) IGNITION SOURCE

Pure hydrogen WITHOUT THOSE TWO ELEMENTS DOES NOT BURN. Hence, I urge you to learn a bit before you speak and pretend to be smart. Some of US PAID ATTENTION IN CLASS during our years in school. OTHERS DID NOT (YOU)

»www.physlink.com/Education/AskEx···e575.cfm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031586 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:49:27 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031577 jc100 : This is not PURE HYDROGEN. I took physics. Maybe you'll find this link interesting and informative. Hydrogen MUST MIX with oxygen and have an ignition to burn. Otherwise, ITS NOT EXPLOSIVE. See explanation.

»www.physlink.com/Education/AskEx···e575.cfm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031577 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:47:41 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031360 Vertickle : LOL ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031360 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:16:23 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031304 Raptor : »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen#Combustion

All those who were aboard the Hindenburg urge you to take or retake chemistry.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031304 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:10:09 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031246 amigo_boy :
said by antwanp See Profile :

A hydrogen balloon igniting that high up would burn up so fast that it wouldn't be of any danger to people on the ground.
I was thinking more about the farmer pre-release, or the ballon that eventually returns to the ground with at least some hydrogen (but not enough to overcome the weight of the baloon).

When I was 8 years old me and some friends created some hydrogen using two anodes in a glass of water. We created enough to inflate a small (toy) balloon a small amount. We went out in the school yard and stood in a circle flicking matches at it. All I remember is all of us standing there, stunned, spitting debris out of our mouths. :)

Mark]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031246 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:03:05 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031184 jester121 : Fireproof parachutes I hope? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031184 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:56:10 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031157 MyDogHsFleas :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Amigo never ceases to amaze me. Hydrogen IS NOT explosive unless the atom is split. We have hydrogen fuel and cars. Trust me, they aren't atom bombs waiting to happen. Hydrogen itself is safe until modfied to split the atom. Hence, your question /statement is a but on the absurd side. Nothing that surprises me though.
»revver.com/video/129972/explodin···alloons/

»www.metacafe.com/watch/311189/hi···isaster/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031157 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:52:09 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031070 jc100 : Amigo never ceases to amaze me. Hydrogen IS NOT explosive unless the atom is split. We have hydrogen fuel and cars. Trust me, they aren't atom bombs waiting to happen. Hydrogen itself is safe until modfied to split the atom. Hence, your question /statement is a but on the absurd side. Nothing that surprises me though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031070 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:38:54 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031042 jc100 : dupe post. DELETE]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20031042 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:36:06 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20030955 TK Junk Mail :
said by UglyDork See Profile :

said by antwanp See Profile :

A hydrogen balloon igniting that high up would burn up so fast that it wouldn't be of any danger to people on the ground.

-Antwan L.
Except for the falling transceiver. :o ;)
It parachutes down. Little to no danger.
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said by antwanp See Profile :

A hydrogen balloon igniting that high up would burn up so fast that it wouldn't be of any danger to people on the ground.

-Antwan L.
Except for the falling transceiver. :o ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20030871 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:14:23 EDT Re: Farmers launching hydrogen? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20030824 antwanp : A hydrogen balloon igniting that high up would burn up so fast that it wouldn't be of any danger to people on the ground.

-Antwan L.
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Mark]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20030810 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:06:37 EDT