ltsnow
join:2006-04-08
Valdosta, GA | reply to bcastner
Re: XP SP3 (3111) standalone now available for download
I have reasons that I like to slipstream and I have the time (a couple of hours for each new build), but thanks anyway. |
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bcastner
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If you are going to use ATI to revert then there is absolutely no reason to slipstream.
It would take longer to build a slipstream and do a new installation than it would be to install SP3 on a working build.
A slipstream in your case is not only a Beta program violation, it is an enormous waste of time. |
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ltsnow
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Thanks for all your input Bill. Your advice is sound for the normal consumer. I am one of those "technically-inclined individuals that are comfortable using pre-release software". Heck, I can build and install a slipstreamed version of SP3 in less than an hour (I've done it with every beta release). Then if necessary I can revert to SP2 in 4 minutes with ATI. |
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Mele20
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Since installing this, defragger wants to run every 24 hours. How do stop this? I ran defragger after the install (although not immediately but when it popped up). ProcessGuard blocks it but I don't understand why defragger wants to run every 24 hours. I have never had that happen with SP2. Defragger never asks to run. I manually run it about 3 times a year on my host machine.
Plus, I installed this on a virtual machine. VMWare notifies me whenever the virtual machine needs defragging which, like the host, is usually about 3 times a year. Since I defragged shortly after installing this Service Pack 3, why does defragger want to run every 24 hours?
Edit: Defragger has tried to run two more times in the past hour. I denied it in ProcessGuard and then I went and manually had defrag do an analysis. The disk doesn't need defragging so why defragger keeps wanting to run I don't know.
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javaMan
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said by takeahike  :Being the 'patient' one I am I wish they'd just release the final already so I could install it. Then we can accuse them of rushing it out the door! LOL That will be inevitable won't it?
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takeahike
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Woodland Hills, CA | reply to ltsnow
Being the 'patient' one I am I wish they'd just release the final already so I could install it. Then we can accuse them of rushing it out the door! |
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Grail Knight
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I tend to agree that a clean install of a SP is the best way to go. |
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bcastner
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The last I heard anything definite about when the timer expires, is in that Forum by Jeff Wall from Microsoft, SP3 Team, that all Beta and RC releases would time bomb at 180 days.
As the SP3 Team stated at the start of the Beta:
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This pre-release software is provided for testing purposes only. Microsoft does not recommend installing this software on primary or mission critical systems. Microsoft recommends that you have a backup of your data prior to installing any pre-release software. It is pre-release software, and is time-limited, and is intended for IT professionals, developers, and other technically-inclined individuals that are comfortable using pre-release software.
Search the link above for "time limit" to see the tons of posts regarding the issue; but from the release of the first Beta the intention to time bomb all releases was made unambiguous.
Since RTM is to be "before first half 2008", the time limit should not be an issue unless you still have installed the first Beta. That might be pushing the deadline, depending on when it was installed.
But the imporant issue is that it makes no sense to slipstream these releases. First, there has been no assurance you can install an update over the top. It seems to me that there would not be an issue, unless you slipstreamed. The slipstream denies the installer the ability to revert. Second, even though the current RC is permitted for an over-the-top (for non-slipstream)installation, a read of the support forum suggests this has proved problematic. In my own testing, 4/10 would not install the current release candidate until I manually did an Add/Remove of the previous version. As each of the ones that had issues had different issues, I cannot generalize. But it does seem to me that for something as important as a Service Pack (of 300+mb) that doing it clean of any Beta or Release Candidate of that service pack makes the sanest sense, or at least you do want that option.
Save the slipstreams until RTM.
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Grail Knight
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Thanks. |
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bcastner
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I wrote a FAQ on the SP3 release, including links to all Microsoft support sites for the Beta and Release Candidates. »aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=30732
But Microsoft states the time bomb is in place clearly on its main support site for the release: »forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/Sho···iteID=17 |
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Grail Knight
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Post withdrawn by me.
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bcastner
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And your Microsoft cite for this Mele20 ?
My concern is that you can easily revert in the non-slipstream case, but you cannot in a slipstream. This limits the options to zero for what can be done when SP3 goes RTM. If the decision is made that it can only be installed with a previous RC removed, something that a non-slipstream allows, then the slipstream folks are in trouble.
Finally, if the OS will not continue to run unless upgraded, or nags you constantly, how is this not a time bomb? |
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Mele20
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It won't bomb. You will be offered the Gold Master from WU which will upgrade this RC. I also assume Microsoft will allow upgrading via the Download center. |
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Mele20
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I didn't know it started up all services during the install? I have a bunch of services disabled and it didn't complain and if it started the ones not disabled but not already started...I didn't see it do that. It installed very rapidly. I did notice that even with not much in the way of programs, my documents, mail, etc. on this computer that it had to be defragged immediately and the fragmentation was 33% which had to have been just from the install. The install increased the size of the virtual disk also. I want to install it on my XP Pro SP1 virtual machine but that virtual disk has a fixed size and I don't think I have enough space especially for a defrag afterwards.
As for the Raid error boot, I think that is your nVidia board. I have an nVidia board and I have two Sata 300 drives and I get that error at every boot since I got the machine two years ago. I don't do Raid either but in order to enable NCQ on the drives, this board required that I install the nVidia Raid drivers. Dell told me it was normal on an nVidia board to see that error at boot because a Raid setup is expected. But since you said you have only gotten the Raid error recently maybe your problem is something different.
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ltsnow
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What makes these builds different from a final release, which of course is supported for slipstreaming? I did see in the forums that it does have a timebomb.
BTW, I am only testing these things out. I have tons of Acronis images that I can immediately revert to if there is any problem. But I must say that every SP3 build that I have Nlited has worked perfectly. |
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bcastner
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You "can" do a lot of things. That does not mean that they are a smart thing to do. Slipstreaming Beta and Release Candidates denies you the ability to revert the change.
There are web sites that are more than happy to give you the details on how to slipstream SP3; e.g. »www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreame···3_cd.htm
But as the Microsoft Website for SP3 Beta and RC users has pointed out, there is no formal provision for doing so, and a slipstream is not a supported installation: »forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/Sea···mID=2010
Moving your clock ahead is not a valid test of the time bomb. It is in fact time bombed. Something you will discover at a later date.
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ltsnow
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said by bcastner :There is no facility to slipstream this. That will have to wait for the final. Also, it cannot be applied to an XP "Gold" release. It will only install if you are at least at Service Pack 1. Finally, yes it is time bombed. You certainly can slipstream it. My system right now was slipstreamed yesterday. Also, I moved my clock ahead a year. No evidence of a timebomb. |
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darkwish
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Virginia Beach, VA | reply to bcastner
The service pack is slipstreamable, as I'm using windows xp + sp3 installed by a slipstreamed cd. Yes it won't install on XP Gold, but it will slipstream onto it. |
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bcastner
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There is no facility to slipstream this. That will have to wait for the final.
Also, it cannot be applied to an XP "Gold" release. It will only install if you are at least at Service Pack 1.
Finally, yes it is time bombed. |
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darkwish
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said by ltsnow :said by darkwish :said by tahoejeff :i'm building a pc for a customer next week, and i want to slipstream this with her xp install cd. her install cd doesn't even have sp2, so this would save me the time/trouble of all the updates. do you all think this is stable enough to put on a technophobe's pc? it sounds to me like this is nearly the final release. No, I wouldn't install a beta OS to customer's machine, especially one that isn't technically inclined. The SP3 beta also timebomb in 6 months. So unless you planned to reinstall windows for her in 6 months then SP2 would be better. I doubt that this is true. I never saw anything about this and for fun I moved my computer clock one year ahead and rebooted. No problems. Anyway, the final will be out soon so this is a moot point. I stand corrected, it was only the beta's, not the RC's. Still, when the final comes out, you won't be able install it till you uninstall the previous SP3. And if it was slipstreamed... you can't. You'd probably have to do a repair install with SP3 Final slipstreamed cd. |
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