Omega
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Re: I'm proud to be an American
said by TKJunkMail  :said by AmericanISP :At least I know I'm free  If France and UK adopt ISP enforcement policies, hopefully the US won't be far behind. I think everyone on this site knows that you are anti-piracy and pro-RIAA/MPAA, which is ok, its your opinion.
But, what I don't understand is why you support more regulation and governmental involvement on the internet (especially since you come from a conservative background). Regardless if these policies limit piracy, they will harm the innovation and freedom of the internet, which imo far outweighs trying to prevent some poor college student from downloading a song. |
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jhboricua
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| said by Omega :I think everyone on this site knows that you are anti-piracy and pro-RIAA/MPAA, which is ok, its your opinion. But, what I don't understand is why you support more regulation and governmental involvement on the internet (especially since you come from a conservative background). Regardless if these policies limit piracy, they will harm the innovation and freedom of the internet, which imo far outweighs trying to prevent some poor college student from downloading a song. Because he and others like him support regulation ONLY when it means more $$$ for the bottom line of his masters, nothing more. As soon as the regulation being considered is made to trump the shady practices of his masters towards their customers, he suddenly starts blabbering about less regulation and how it is not the government business to get involved. In other words, just like the companies he vehemently defends, he wants to have his cake and eat it. It has nothing to do with common sense.
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Noah Vail
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Shilling Effect.
TK brings debatable points to the table, but if you find a flaw and point it out, he rarely, if ever, responds to it. What's the point of offering your point of view in a debate forum if you're not willing to support or defend it?
Ultimately it makes his points as shallow as those he attempts to rebut. It's kind of sad actually. If you've no philosophy behind your opinion, you really are just a shill.
I have a different stand on software and movies than I do music. Software and movies are owned or managed by the creators. There isn't the high level theft and collusion that there is in the music industry.
I do have a problem with marketing and manipulation, without ethics, in media, so I support online d/l of tv shows, as retaliation. However, I purchase and encourage purchasing of commercial free DVD's. It takes the advertisers out of the process and allows the creators to profit.
The quality of software has increased tremendously in the last 10 years and the prices are much more reasonable. There is also a glut of open source and freeware product, that is actually quite good. So the software vendors have a pretty good leg to stand on.
The music industry however.....
Jail the executives, end the fraud, theft and collusion and I'll support anti-piracy measures. Deal?
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There is the revised headline.
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Doctor Four
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Re: Shilling Effect.
said by Noah Vail :I have a different stand on software and movies than I do music. Software and movies are owned or managed by the creators. There isn't the high level theft and collusion that there is in the music industry. Software, maybe. Movies, absolutely not. Case in point of
the latter: Newline Cinema is being sued by the heirs of
J.R.R. Tolkein and Harper Collins for using the ideas in
the Lord Of The Rings and not paying them any royalties
for doing so. In other words, they are doing the same
thing they accuse p2p users of doing.
Another case in point: Disney, one of the worst
violators when it comes to others' copyrights, was sued
not too long ago by the heirs of Solomon Linda, the
original creator of The Lion Sleeps Tonight for using it in
The Lion King and paying a paltry $15,000 in royalties.
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RadioDoc
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| said by Doctor Four :In order words, they are doing the same thing they accuse p2p users of doing. Actually it is much, much worse. P2p users generally are not out for profit. New Line Cinema is all about profit, and intentional copyright violation for profit should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. A good lot of p2p is collecting for the sake of collecting.
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Noah Vail
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I may be out of touch on the movie making process. My understanding is that the majority of movies are made in house and often distributed by the studio or a subsidiary.
It's different than an artist who uses the studio's equipment, but writes and plays the music. Movies have one person write the script, the company composes and distributes the movie.
The cost of filming a movie vs performing an album is hugely different; unless you're Michael Jackson.
Hmmm. I'll have to give this some more thought. There's too many variables and too many stories I'm sure I haven't read yet.
Maybe I'll come to despise Big Film as well.
NV
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