S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
 ·Comcast
| Comcrap So if I read between the lines....I see Comcrap wants to raise my rates even more to pay for this "digital turnover recovery fee". Plus I will have the added advantage of paying more on a monthly basis to see the cooking channel, QVC, and Lifetime in Hi-def?
Am I reading this right?
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PGHammer
join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD
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1 edit | Re: Comcrap The idea (per Steve Burke) is for Comcast to provide these devices *instead* of STBs for the most basic of outlets, and at no cost to the subscriber. The reason *for* these devices is that, for economy or *lifeline basic* customers, *any* STB (even the super-cheapies such as the Motorola DCT-711) is a non-starter. Also, some customers don't want an STB at all, regardless of price. These external devices will *not* be HD-capable, any more than the DCT-7xx boxes are (they aren't), so if you want HD (and are a Comcast customer) you will *still* need the bigger STB. The one advantage cable has (over satellite or telcos) is that, by and large, no STB is needed for the lowest-end channels. Comcast in particular, wants to keep that advantage (and you can best believe that smaller cable providers will want these same devices once they get developed, as they are in an even bigger pickle than Comcast regarding the transition). | |
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
| Re: Comcrap said by morbo  :said by PGHammer : and at no cost to the subscriber. except for 24/7 365 days/yr electricity needed to power the device, of course. Which probably operates in the noise of your electric bill, certainly nowhere near the $4-$5/month you might get charged for a full service box.
Doesn't Verizon FIOS have a similar watered-down box that they charge $1 less per month than the digital STB? | |
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PGHammer
join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD
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| Re: Comcrap said by kyler13 :said by morbo :said by PGHammer : and at no cost to the subscriber. except for 24/7 365 days/yr electricity needed to power the device, of course. Which probably operates in the noise of your electric bill, certainly nowhere near the $4-$5/month you might get charged for a full service box. Doesn't Verizon FIOS have a similar watered-down box that they charge $1 less per month than the digital STB? VZ's low-end box is the same DCT-711 that Comcast deploys in Motorola areas. | |
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
| Re: Comcrap said by PGHammer :VZ's low-end box is the same DCT-711 that Comcast deploys in Motorola areas. I'm talking about the digital adapter listed on their website that doesn't support ondemand, not the SD STB. Is that what the DCT-711 is? I didn't think Comcast had such an option. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20 | Will ANYONE ever be happy? Sheesh! | |
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bear73
Metnav... Fly The Unfriendly Skies
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join:2001-06-09
Grand Forks Afb, ND | Re: Comcrap well THATS a silly quiestion...
momma always said... | |
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join:2005-06-25
Savannah, GA
·Comcast
| said by fiberguy :Will ANYONE ever be happy? Sheesh! \
Has anybody noticed how this will only affect 20% of the footprint? I'm certainly not worried. I honestly don't think anyone in my market should be. | |
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| jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | I'm pretty sure that the phrase "lifeline basic" should be left in the arena of telephone service; I'm pretty sure that cable TV is still a luxury. | |
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| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: Comcrap Well cable TV is the ONLY source of entertainment for many sectors of the population, such as hospitals, nursing homes, and prisons (group homes, juvenile centers, and low to maximum security prisons). | |
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join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA | Re: Comcrap And lifeline cable, imposed by the government at a loss for MSOs, will still exist. What is your point??? | |
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Cable Me This
@rr.com
| said by jester121 :I'm pretty sure that the phrase "lifeline basic" should be left in the arena of telephone service; I'm pretty sure that cable TV is still a luxury. Learn your history, bud.
Cable TV exists today because it was a necessity, not a luxury. Industry just figured out they could sell it to folks who didn't need it (those with OTA reception).
Cable TV needs re-regulation. There are still millions of customers who have no other choice than cable, and never will. | |
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join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
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| Re: Comcrap You learn YOUR history, bud. The cable television YOU were talking about is STILL AVAILABLE from cable companies, at a government imposed price which often represents a LOSS for cable company. Lifeline cable is about $9 per month here, all in. Some places is more; with the price controlled by the town government, NOT the cable company. That part of cable television that you were referring to is STILL REGULATED. This conversion being discussed affects part of cable service that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH making up for poor OTA reception in remote areas. Nothing. | |
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: Comcrap AIYEEEEEEEE! Look! The Thread Zombifier is here! RUN RUN RUN AWAY. RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!
(those comments were a month old)
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| said by PGHammer :* The reason *for* these devices is that, for economy or *lifeline basic* customers, *any* STB (even the super-cheapies such as the Motorola DCT-711) is a non-starter. There's *always* a cost to the subscriber. Comcrap dosent offer a free lifeline service,so this would be added as a fee. Plus, to think that this rfp expense won't be passed on to the consumer is niave! | |
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Ebolla
join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA
| Re: Comcrap said by S_engineer :There's *always* a cost to the subscriber. 5 years ago, Internet 1meg=$42.95
Today, Internet 6meg+powerboost=$42.95
Thats a huge differance in the cost increase huh. Not EVERYTHING is auto charged for more. | |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| Re: Comcrap said by Ebolla :said by S_engineer :There's *always* a cost to the subscriber. 5 years ago, Internet 1meg=$42.95 Today, Internet 6meg+powerboost=$42.95 Thats a huge differance in the cost increase huh. Not EVERYTHING is auto charged for more. What was your fee structure 5 years ago compared to today? | |
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Ebolla
join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA | Re: Comcrap yes my costs for channels have gone up, but so has the number of channels and the amount of vod content. I now also have 2 DVR's and TiVo services. My internet costs have stayed the same and my phone services actually dropped in cost. | |
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Hangmn
Don't Fight It...It's Inevitable
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join:2000-04-08
Philadelphia, PA
1 edit | Re: Comcrap said by Ebolla :5 years ago, Internet 1meg=$42.95 Today, Internet 6meg+powerboost=$42.95 Thats a huge differance in the cost increase huh. Not EVERYTHING is auto charged for more. None of these points are REMOTELY releavent..the topic is:
Comcast's $35 Digital Conversion Dongle
and the staement was this RFP will be passed on to the consumer.. | |
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Ebolla
join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA
| Re: Comcrap read up, yes it is relevant, he stated that there is always a charge associated with a change. I stated CHSI hadn't changed price though the services themselves did. Is CHSI/CDV/Cable the device we are speaking about? no. Is it relevant that changes have been made in system that came down to no increase cost to consumer? yes. | |
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58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | Re: Comcrap You might want to investigate a bit. The HSI pricing has not increased as much as cable TV because that is cross-subsidized from the much less competitive video business.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by Ebolla :said by S_engineer :There's *always* a cost to the subscriber. 5 years ago, Internet 1meg=$42.95 Today, Internet 6meg+powerboost=$42.95 Thats a huge differance in the cost increase huh. Not EVERYTHING is auto charged for more. Only because the video subs are subsidizing HSI.
video subs get a rate hike everytime the wind blows.
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PGHammer
join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD
clubs:
·Comcast
| Re: Comcrap said by TKJunkMail :said by S_engineer :said by PGHammer :* The reason *for* these devices is that, for economy or *lifeline basic* customers, *any* STB (even the super-cheapies such as the Motorola DCT-711) is a non-starter. There's *always* a cost to the subscriber. Comcrap dosent offer a free lifeline service,so this would be added as a fee. Plus, to think that this rfp expense won't be passed on to the consumer is niave! B.S. My parents got a DCT700 last year at no cost or change in their bill. Comcast ate the cost in order to convert all the people still on analog STBs in Philadelphia. This new dongle is an even cheaper, simpler version of the DCT700. QFT
Datapoint: when Prince George's County (MD) went ADS, we had a single analog converter box on our single non-cable-ready TV (a supremely-large floor-model 25-incher in an upstairs bedroom). Comcast replaced it with a digital STB (in fact, a DCT-25xx model), and the bill actually went *down*.
This is the only TV that can view VOD directly (same for channels in the 100+ range that are in Limited Basic). Analog STB was replaced with digital STB, and the bill decreases. (In fact, that is usually the case in ADS areas; analog STBs are replaced with digital STBs, the customer gets more, not fewer, channels, yet due to rate changes, the customer pays *less* to Comcast despite the increased number of channels.) | |
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| | fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| said by S_engineer :said by PGHammer :* The reason *for* these devices is that, for economy or *lifeline basic* customers, *any* STB (even the super-cheapies such as the Motorola DCT-711) is a non-starter. There's *always* a cost to the subscriber. Comcrap dosent offer a free lifeline service,so this would be added as a fee. Plus, to think that this rfp expense won't be passed on to the consumer is niave! Neither does phone.. the TAXPAYERS offer the free service.
I know what you mean, but I wanted it to be PERFECTLY clear that phone does NOT give you anything free.. they are still paid.. and that lifeline service isn't 100% free to all people. Some people go above the level of service and receive a baseline credit. | |
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Chuckles
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join:2006-03-04
Saint Paul, MN | Universal Services are free. But it it's like 6 or 7 public access channels only. Atleast in the Twin Cities area of MN.
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Tigerpaw509
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Huntley, IL | Well it would be half baked HD at best | |
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