dynodbPremium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN | You people are hilarious You people crack me up. Rate of return? Capital spending? Increased debt load? WHO CARES WE WANT FTTH CHEAP SO DON'T BOTHER US WITH THE DETAILS!!!
Qwest isn't Verizon, and serves a much different territory- even Verizon is only deploying FTTH to about half their customers. Now try that in a more mountainous, sparcely populated region.
Verizon's FiOS take up rate is what- 15% after a year of having it available in an area? That would suggest that 85% of customers just aren't ready for it. Anyone who thinks that it would be a good financial move for Qwest to go another $20 billion in debt for a service that the vast majority of people (outside Internet board nerditry) don't need and aren't going to pay for isn't considering the big picture.
I wish Qwest was debt free, had boatloads of spare cash laying around and the demand for FTTH was such that it made financial sense to deploy it. That just isn't the case. Reality sucks, don't it? |
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Well if you quote numbers at least come close. It's been said that Fios penetration is closer to 28 % now.
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | 28% in what areas? Penetration and uptake are very different things.
Verizon still has vast portions of it's service footprint that can't even get DSL let alone FiOS. I wouldn't be using their stats as a yardstick for anything quite yet.
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said by BosstonesOwn:Well if you quote numbers at least come close. It's been said that Fios penetration is closer to 28 % now. Do we have to wait until lack of bandwidth becomes a problem before we start to get fiber? There is this concept called 'vision'. 28% of the people deciding to change to an unknown product is really good for right now. Most people don't change once they're into something unless it's so terribly broken and they're just mad and fed up. These ISP shouldn't wait until it gets there. |
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dynodbPremium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN | reply to BosstonesOwn
said by BosstonesOwn:Well if you quote numbers at least come close. It's been said that Fios penetration is closer to 28 % now. As mentioned, uptake does not equal penetration. Last figures I saw were that only 10% of those where service was offered (penetration) took it in the first year, 15% where it had been in place over a year.
A lot of folks here are suggesting that cable is going to dominate Qwest DSL based on speed- yet cable already offers (and has for years) faster speeds than the 1.5M that most Qwest customers have. Yet Qwest is still selling DSL almost as fast as they can install new DSLAMs.
Will there be great demand for speeds faster than can be provided by ADSL2+ and VDSL? Sure- someday. But for a company that has struggled just to pay it's current debt and make a profit to go billions further into debt to offer a service for which there is no strong demand now or in the immediate future would be suicide. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Yep, 10% (uptake) of 28% (availability), not alot of customers. Only technophiles will get FIOS, everyone else can't see what the difference is. They don't understand the concept of internet speeds, and in most cases they will never see the improved download speeds, since few sites spit out that fast. Youtube only sends out at 1200Kbit/s. It will never saturate a 1.5mbit/s DSL line. Then there is round trip latency, and most websites either have 1.5/10mbit anti-DOS bandwidth limiters per IP, or they are shared hosting on a 10 or 100mbit ethernet port, the server's CPU and HD probably limit you in that case. Also todays websites requires 10s to 100s of files to be downloaded (JS, CSS, Images, Flash, iFrames (and more JS, CSS, Images, and flash), combine that with slow spiting out servers and the internet crawls nowadays, not to mention TCP's very inefficient use of multiple round trips to start and end each connection, and window size (most ppl dont tweak their TCP settings). Heck the HTML code for this page is 230KB. thats 1/4 of a megabyte. Then add everyone's avatars and all the images and then the JS libraries for the Ajax on DSLR and CSS code too. Fortuantly no flash here.  |
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