Re: wow in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20071972 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:47:10 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:47:10 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20395168 CColon : You fail to realize that along with the faster and bigger bus uplinks they are deploying from Nortel DOCSIS 3.0 allows them to bond frequencies to allow for the rise of caps. In 4 years of working for comcast in NJ, DE, and PA I have seen one customer get "the call" for excessive use, and he was later prosecuted for software pirating.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20395168 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:47:29 EDT Verizon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20254155 mogulero0 : Verizon has a great product, for now. But their customer service sucks out loud. I have fios 20 over 5. I have Comcast phone service. I have tv with Comcast because fios tv is not available in our town as the town & Verizon cannot agree on a contract. When I try to contact Verizon about my fios service their voice queue keeps asking for my telephone number. In my opinion, Verizon maintains a culture of arrogance as AT&T did of yore.

Comcast sucks too but less.

So I am a whore for the fastest product, which, at the present time, is Fios. But when 50 over 50 comes down the pike I will be on it in a heartbeat.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20254155 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:39:12 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20121755 hopeflicker :
said by viggent5 :

are you guys retarded, i pay comcast for a 16mbps connection, and i consitently get 14-15, maybe you should clean out your computers instead of complaining like little girls
So you are one of the lucky ones. Are you saying that everyone that has speed issues has infected computers? pffttt!
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:uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20076321 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:56:46 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20075497 en102 : True - everything goes through AT&T CO.
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Who's network does it go through?

Im kind of in the same situation, my packets go through ATT network and they could look if they wanted. I have no doubt about that.
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A) DSL = lower bit rate, but typically you will hit your max w/o issue (eg. ADSL 6-7Mbps, VDSL at 10Mbps). Typically a better QoS on DSL, IMO.
B) Cable 6-25Mbps, slow downs during peak usage, but for bursty transmissions, and less distance limitations, Cable works well.

Think of DSL as token ring, and Cable as ethernet with a hub (not switch).

Unless I'm mistaken HD uncompressed is 19.2Mbps, and unless there's a queuing mechanism, I don't think you'll be having decently streamed HD over the internet for a while w/o buffering
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We are tried of having to compress and lower the quality of our stuff so people with slow connections don't have to wait 10 minutes for the web app to load.

Once this, or even 10mbps starts to become the norm, you are going too see a exposition in the quality of the way websites look. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20072650 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:53:14 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20072546 anon : he didn't say they would get ride of teh cap. they will just increase the cap some. everytime they increase there speed they have increase there cap a little but it is alway there. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20072546 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:32:45 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20072378 en102 : I don't have any real issues with CAPS/throttling, as long as

A) I know the actual limit of MY usage before being capped/throttled.
B) My consumption limit isn't based on a neighborhood usage., but my usage.
C) All the cards are on the table BEFORE I sign up for service.

I've been thinking about migrating to Cable (TW here) for a package deal, or even AT&T, however, I use this line for business, and I don't want some corp. bean counter deciding for me that I can't run certain apps, or that I can't use a specific amount of bandwidth per month, or specific time of day.
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I've downloaded a few Linux DVD ISO images, on DSL, and have never had any issues (we're talking many GB here). If I'm paying for a 6Mbps line, I should be able to use it.

The cable model is based on high speed bursts, not sustained high end downloads / uploads due to the shared nature. They shouldn't oversell a node. Comcast even described this in their FCC statement yesterday. What sort of sucks is that its on a node by node basis where the issue occurs. You could be on a node with no traffic and consume almost as much as possible, while being on a node with a few high consumption neighbors, your status would degrade.
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If you can't log into your account with them and see what you've transfered, you've got very little in the way of defending yourself when they get it wrong (and they do get it wrong sometimes).

Sure, who doesn't want that speed, and caps are even dealable with, but the secrecy and how they do things sort of puts a whole damper on that.

The problem is the corporate culture, the business practices, the secrecy, the arrogance. That's the problem. Fix that, the caps aren't really as big a deal anymore. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20072327 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:46:51 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20072324 BabyBear :
said by en102 See Profile :

Who says I need any more bandwidth ? I just don't need what I have capped/filtered/throttled
Or passed on to any agency for "snoopage" purposes, including but not limited to NSA, CIA, RIAA, MPAA, FBI, AAA, DHS, FEMA, EU, ABC, 123, Do, Ra, Me. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20072324 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:46:01 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20072227 en102 : Who says I need any more bandwidth ? I just don't need what I have capped/filtered/throttled
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in the end, it is not fair to those that don't do huge amounts of downloading or uploading all the time be penalized with a slower connection, packet dropping, or unstable pings because a few that saturate their connection all the time. ideally, caps should do this, but in reality probably not so much.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20072190 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:20:30 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20072124 reelbigfish : The reason for the caps is that bandwidth is currently limited and they are trying to preserve good performance for the majority of their users. Once the bottle neck is gone, the caps will rise in step with that. Comcast is out to make money, but when they no longer have a reason to have such low caps, they will go up.

And just because someone says something good about a company doesn't mean they are a shill.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20072124 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:11:00 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20072114 NyQuil Kid : Are you people from the Barack Obama School of Technology? If we hope long enough, increased bandwidth will just appear? The money they make is what will enable them to make the investments needed to offer the faster speeds....

The level of intellectual disconnect displayed by forum posters is stunning...

[8F] The NyQuil Kid]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20072114 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:09:20 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20072085 fishmaster : You Noticed a 30-50% average drop in speed too :huh:
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However, if I decide to stream HD video, lets say 8 hours / day, I should not be deemed and excessive user. For reasons like this, I'm still on DSL. No CAPS, no filters (smtp is currently filtered, but can be removed by request), and very little jitter.

In fact, DSL-Extreme doesn't care if I run servers off my connection.
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said by en102 See Profile :

I don't disagree that caps will rise... however, I do suspect that the caps/filtering will be such that Comcast will still throttle or cap you for what they deem excessive
I agree with that. There will always be those who see it as a challenge to eat up every last bite of bandwidth whether they will ever watch anything that they actually download. And for people like that caps are necessary.
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said by en102 See Profile :

You bet..have to make money where possible, and have your cake + eat it too.
You and the previous 2 posters are wrong. The caps will rise. You can bet on it.
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said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

said by en102 See Profile :

What's the point of having 50/50Mbps when you're throttled/capped ?
The caps will change upward as the infrastructure is improved. The current word is they tossed users that were well north of 100 GBs/month. So when the infrastructure is enhanced double, triple, etc, the caps will be too.
Highly unlikely. They will keep the caps intact to force users to pay more if they go over their invisible limit. Isn't that what big business' want? capitalize on everything?
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said by en102 See Profile :

What's the point of having 50/50Mbps when you're throttled/capped ?
The caps will change upward as the infrastructure is improved. The current word is they tossed users that were well north of 100 GBs/month. So when the infrastructure is enhanced double, triple, etc, the caps will be too.
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