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Re: when was the last increase? Verizon isn't yet.
Matter of fact they sometimes leave the copper drops , and they definitely will if you ask them to.
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2 edits | said by BosstonesOwn:Verizon isn't yet. Matter of fact they sometimes leave the copper drops , and they definitely will if you ask them to. I'm talking about their old multi pair cables, the ones that run from pole to pole. The poles are so filled that they have to REMOVE the older 19 guage lead sheathed and paper insulated ones to PUT fiber in. The poles are loaded to capacity. Generally they replace these with 28 guage pairs that are less than a quarter of the size (and weight) of the old cables. Indeed, with the price of copper what it is, they'll probably MAKE money on the deal by scrapping the older wire. |
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Valencia, CA | reply to qworster
28 guage wire is what is inside the house, if I'm not mistaken.
AT&T rewired my block about a year and a half ago, after there was an issue with SoCal Edison's line burning up the AT&T lines. They replaced 18 gauge with 16.
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said by qworster:Generally they replace these with 28 guage pairs that are less than a quarter of the size (and weight) of the old cables. Really 28 gauge copper? Oh crap we have been wrecking the old 26 gauge plant and installing 24 gauge for bonded ADSL and now (thanks to you) I find out we are going to need to rip out all that lower loss 24 gauge and replace it with real high loss 28 gauge. Damm now we're back to the beginning.
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kudos:3 | reply to en102
said by en102:28 guage wire is what is inside the house, if I'm not mistaken. AT&T rewired my block about a year and a half ago, after there was an issue with SoCal Edison's line burning up the AT&T lines. They replaced 18 gauge with 16. Now I'm real confused way too many numbers. They replaced 18 gauge with 16 gauge? WTF? Do the porch lights come on in Canada when you go off-hook or something?
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en102Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | I'm in Los Angeles, and all the wire is buried.
SCE's 16kV line shorted and burned/melted up a block worth of AT&T 18 guage wire, blew out manhole covers and caught my nieghbors tree on fire. It melted the 18 guage POTS wire to the ground at my house, and charred the insulation a little.
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said by en102:28 guage wire is what is inside the house, if I'm not mistaken. The closest to 28 I have ever seen was the 70’s copper shortage 26 gauge quad IW and the real early two and five pair lead jacketed buried service wire.
Don’t have any quad on hand but you can see the thinness (I snapped the conductor trying to remove the rubber insulation) of the conductors in the old lead jacketed BSW. With 28 gauge it would be almost impossible to work with and it’s why as time moved on we went from to 6 gauge hard drawn copper on open insulators to as small as they could work with copper (26) and now back to a larger gauge to support data. And then there's glass.
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en102Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | The stuff that's in the walls in 'hair' thin, and a lot of the stuff that comes 'to the house' is almost as thick as the stuff in RG59U, just twisted, not shielded.
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Isn't the reason you run the drop downhill (pole to house) so that you can maintain transmission speeds?
Then you try to hit the side of the house rather than the back with a 90 degree turn at the corner of the roof because you don't want the data/voice/telly pictures to burst out the thin insulation where it bends?
Both good practices so you can make the cables smaller and smaller without having to lose speeds.
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Orange Springs, FL | reply to en102
said by en102:The stuff that's in the walls in 'hair' thin, and a lot of the stuff that comes 'to the house' is almost as thick as the stuff in RG59U, just twisted, not shielded. 26 is about as "hair thin" as you can twist around a screw terminal in the house or hold in a punch down block. I have wired a lot of studio's for audio.
Now if you want to build a mainframe with heavy duty wire you use 28 gauge wire wrap wire. But 30 gauge will do just fine and if there are a lot of wires per post 30 is easier to work with wire wrapping.
But since we don't wire wrap houses, I would be shocked to find you have anything smaller than 26 for inside wiring. If you do, then someone was getting too cheap and good luck in the future.
With 16 gauge for DSL you could power a 12KHz porch light and have Attn values still around 2. No they don't use 16 gauge for phone unless it's self installed.
One time I have seen it. A friend of mine had a barn and put in his own cable. It was 500 ft from house and he was an "efficiency nut" and did run 14 gauge to the barn. I told him it was over kill but he didn't understand phone circuits either.
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en102Canadian, eh?
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1 edit | The 26 guage stuff is indoors... a few flexes on it, and it'll break. The house was built in 1970, so its nothing 'new', and there's a few pair that run through the entire house.
Interesting part is that I do get decent signal.
Provisioning Option CO
CO Distance 010.214KFT
1. Downstream Upstream
2. SNR Margin (dB): 16.2 16.0
3. Attenuation (dB): 47.0 30.0
4. Output Power (dBm): 17.1 9.9
5. Attainable Rate (Kbps): 6080 1000
6. Rate (Kbps): 3008 512
7. K (number of bytes in DMT frame): 95 17
8. R (number of check bytes in RS code word): 0 0
9. S (RS code word size in DMT frame): 1 1
10. D (interleaver depth): 0 0
11. Delay (msec): 0 0
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13. Super Frames: 605752 605750
14. Super Frame Errors: 291 4
15. RS Words: 0 0
16. RS Correctable Errors: 0 0
17. RS Uncorrectable Errors: 0 N/A
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20. OCD Errors: 0 0
21. LCD Errors: 0 0
22. Total Cells: 73056081 0
23. Data Cells: 5585872 0
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26. Total ES: 364 0
27. Total SES: 67 0
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