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Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
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Re: What is: ADSL High Speed Internet (Non-PPPOE) ?

How is it an advantage? It would be presumed that your routers would maintain a PPPoE session. In effect, this virtual device would be "always on". The only difference is at which level the handshaking takes place, be it a DSL sync or a PPPoE connection establishment.

I'll agree that you're removing potential points of failure, but you're not getting any functional difference.


avernar

join:2002-05-23
Mississauga, ON

said by Guspaz:

How is it an advantage? It would be presumed that your routers would maintain a PPPoE session. In effect, this virtual device would be "always on". The only difference is at which level the handshaking takes place, be it a DSL sync or a PPPoE connection establishment.
The trick is the "maintain" part. For some businesses the small delay while the router reestablishes the connection is unacceptable, assuming nothing goes wrong during the reconnect. On top of that I've lost count how many times Bell did maintenance on my BAS and my connection was out for a couple of hours.

For me as a residential user it was just an inconvenience. Only once I was annoyed as I was playing a game online after midnight.

The one big thing is that you can't do mlppp on a non-pppoe connection as the ppp part is required.


Guspaz
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It doesn't stop you from using multilink PPP, strictly speaking. The most effective solution would be to rent a dedicated server in Toronto and create PPP sesssions over each of the connections. The additional latency would be minimal (ideally, less than a millisecond added). Or, of course, there are other solutions to accomplish the same thing.


the cerberus

join:2007-10-16
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said by Guspaz:

It doesn't stop you from using multilink PPP, strictly speaking. The most effective solution would be to rent a dedicated server in Toronto and create PPP sesssions over each of the connections. The additional latency would be minimal (ideally, less than a millisecond added). Or, of course, there are other solutions to accomplish the same thing.
What? I don't understand... What is the point of renting a server to use PPP when you can run PPPoE from your house with no latency added for cheaper, to just go back to PPP makes little sense, it would defeat the purpose of having a non-PPP line to begin with!

Strictly speaking everyone missed the point, non PPPoE ADSL removes Bell's BAS control over your line, I would assume no throttling would be able to be applied to your line.

Question: If HSA hardly improves anything at all why does it cost so much more? Where is the money justified? Or is it Bell who controls the cost of this and thus it is just unjustified like a lot of things Bell does. I mean adding and maintaining servers locally doesn't even make much sense, wouldn't cost more money to run the local BAS's for PPPoE?

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