Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20087186 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:20:26 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:20:26 EDT Does Comcast own part of Charter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20161372 anon : Is Charter in any way a subdivision of Comcast?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20161372 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:32:37 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20099205 openbox9 : This is about pay TV. Internet access and competition is a separate discussion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20099205 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:18:02 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20099106 thevorpal : The Pay TV market is much less of an issue now because of the increased competition. Internet TV, Satellite, have provided excellent alternatives.

My concern is for internet access, which in my area is still a 1 person show.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20099106 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:56:54 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20093220 funchords :
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said by KrK See Profile :

Makes the logic easier to see.
Apparently not, because I still fail to see the link to pay TV market share.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20088783 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:06:17 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20088776 openbox9 : Even if there are concessions, they'll ultimately be meaningless and Comcast will get what they're striving for. In the end, we waste time and tax dollars with added bureaucracy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20088776 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:04:26 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20088759 openbox9 : You do realize this about pay TV, right? Not everything discussed around this forum is about your connection to the internet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20088759 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:00:01 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20088754 openbox9 : Bingo. Even if Comcast owned 100% of the coax connecting homes in this country, they still have at least two strong competitors in the pay TV market.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20088754 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:58:35 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20088545 cork1958 :
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said by reelbigfish See Profile :

Why would you want that to happen? Then there would be no competition,
Where is the competition now? As far as I know less than 1% of the people live in areas where 2 or more cable companies compete with each other.
That's because Comcast owns almost the majority of it. Why would they compete with themselves? :p
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said by openbox9 See Profile :

What does any of this have to do with pay TV market share? Nothing. There is no reason that Comcast (or any pay TV provider) should be capped at 30% when viable pay TV competition exists nationwide.
Um. Martin, (Wholly owned property of Big Telco, Inc)

Makes the logic easier to see.
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said by Sterling See Profile :

Top reasons that make it difficult, is that Comcast has contractual agreements with every single city, township or village they provide service in, known as a franchise agreement, that must be paid out and varies.
So maybe they should SUPPORT statewide franchising instead of fighting it. Wouldn't that make their jobs eaiser and be better able to offer more standard pricing?

As far as I know most of the call centers are regional, instead of cherry picked for there lowest cost of living, meaning if you are calling from Pittsburgh, theres at this moment a 90% chance you will get someone from Pittsburgh, I can't speak for what the others areas are doing, only that this area is cutting it's dependence on outsourcing.
HAHA. Most of Charter's call centers are either in India or Mexico. And I'm NOT being sarcastic. Very rarely do I ever get a person that is not speaking broken english.

plus the fact that what comcast pays for a channel is going to be more or less then what another company is paying
Bull ESPN is NOT going to charge Comcast more per sub for ESPN and ESPN 2 in Chicago than they do in Nashville or wherever.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20087843 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:43:38 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20087810 BF69 :
said by reelbigfish See Profile :

I did mean the two major satellite providers, but if you don't like your cable company, complain to your local franchise. Many communities gave up the right to let cable companies compete in their franchise agreements.
But those 2 satellite companies have nothing to do with Comcast and the 30% rule. You said Comcast getting more than 30% decreases competition, but that doesn't effect whether Dish or Direct can offer you service. If Comcast had 100% of the cable market how does that decrease competition between cable and the satellite companies? It doesn't. In the end most people would still have the choice between cable and satellite.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20087810 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:36:32 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20087730 patcat88 : Well if you consider satellite, well DSLReports needs to close, its not needed anymore. 100% of the USA has Universal Broadband.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20087730 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:09:01 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20087722 patcat88 : Remember also that we have to drain all that dangerous lava from the center of our planet. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20087722 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:07:01 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20087512 sapo : My cable company is not important enough for me to actually move, I prefer changing them.
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said by BF69 See Profile :

quote:
You will charge 100% of markets the exact same price nation wide


impossible, standards of living differ.....
Then how can Dish Network, DirectTv and FiOS do it?
Top reasons that make it difficult, is that Comcast has contractual agreements with every single city, township or village they provide service in, known as a franchise agreement, that must be paid out and varies.

They also have to rent the real estate that they cables on the poles are using, and agreements with land owners whose yards the headends/cmts are kept(similar to the dslams that at&t has, only they don't explode).

The expense of maintaining, expanding, upgrading and replacing equipment and fiber optics. As far as I know most of the call centers are regional, instead of cherry picked for there lowest cost of living, meaning if you are calling from Pittsburgh, theres at this moment a 90% chance you will get someone from Pittsburgh, I can't speak for what the others areas are doing, only that this area is cutting it's dependence on outsourcing.

plus the fact that what comcast pays for a channel is going to be more or less then what another company is paying

The company as a whole, like most large companies have there issues to be worked out. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20087159 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:08:18 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20086986 openbox9 : Don't forget two nationwide, major sat TV providers when you're talking about pay TV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20086986 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:35:28 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20086740 Dogfather :
said by BF69 See Profile :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

With that logic, Brian Roberts is likely responsible for temps on Venus.
According to the neo-cons CO2 doesn't cause warmer temps. It's a myth.
Given that manmade CO2 is only a trace amount of the actual greenhouse gases I would agree.

If someone wants to stop global warming they'll have to destroy the Sun.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20086740 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:45:32 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20086591 BF69 :
said by gar187er See Profile :

quote:
You will carry all local affiliates HD broadcasts


almost all areas do already
This isn't horseshoes. Charter only has 5 of 7 locals in my area not counting CW.

quote:
You will charge 100% of markets the exact same price nation wide


impossible, standards of living differ.....
Then how can Dish Network, DirectTv and FiOS do it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20086591 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:15:35 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20086555 BF69 :
said by reelbigfish See Profile :

Why would you want that to happen? Then there would be no competition,
Where is the competition now? As far as I know less than 1% of the people live in areas where 2 or more cable companies compete with each other.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20086555 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:10:57 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20086533 openbox9 : So what's your concern again?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20086533 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:08:30 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20086530 BF69 :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

With that logic, Brian Roberts is likely responsible for temps on Venus.
According to the neo-cons CO2 doesn't cause warmer temps. It's a myth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20086530 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:08:16 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20086511 en102 : Since I don't have HSI, you're right.
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quote:
You want more than 30%? Fine. You cannot filter, restrict, cap or otherwise interfere with the internet traffic your customers use.


blah blah blah

quote:
You will carry all local affiliates HD broadcasts


almost all areas do already

quote:
You will offer a basic rate tier for no more than 20$


its called limited service....where have you been!??!!?

quote:
You will not charge customers for using their own cable modems or other hardware which essentially eliminates any discount over renting same hardware from comcast.


they dont charge for CPE....go buy your modem, comcast doesnt care or charge....

quote:
You will allow customer to use any STB/DVR of their choice and rent cable cards for no more than 3$ a month for the next 5 years


this was the point of putting CC's in STB's and dvrs....again, where have you been??

quote:
You will role out DOCSIS 3.0 to 100% of your markets.


in time yes, its not an instant change over

quote:
You will charge 100% of markets the exact same price nation wide


impossible, standards of living differ.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20086226 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:18:32 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20085839 en102 : I expect some 'concessions' - i.e. Comcast 'can' have more than 30% 'if' they

a) offer a la carte programming
b) stop filtering/traffic shaping
c) offer indie access to their network (yeah, like that will happen)
d) offer better pricing
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EDIT: Also, I see you subscribe to FIOS. Why aren't you complaining that Verizon do the same? Here in MA, Verizon has stopped deploying FIOS and has no plans to ever roll it out in the city. It just isn't profitable. That is why Comcast gets my TV/Internet/Phone dollar. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20085674 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:31:23 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20085652 danclan : You want more than 30%? Fine. You cannot filter, restrict, cap or otherwise interfere with the internet traffic your customers use.

You will carry all local affiliates HD broadcasts

You will offer a basic rate tier for no more than 20$

You will not have ETF's

You will not charge customers for using their own cable modems or other hardware which essentially eliminates any discount over renting same hardware from comcast.

You will allow customer to use any STB/DVR of their choice and rent cable cards for no more than 3$ a month for the next 5 years

You will role out DOCSIS 3.0 to 100% of your markets.

You will charge 100% of markets the exact same price nation wide

Yeah....like ANY of that will happen....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20085652 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:27:14 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20085643 Dogfather : With that logic, Brian Roberts is likely responsible for temps on Venus.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20085643 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:25:43 EDT Re: The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20085634 Raptor : I've determined that the critical source of global warming/climate change is in fact politicians/high ranking officials and their constant output of hot air.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20085634 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:23:06 EDT The same court will probably just shoot it down again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20085585 GOLFnSUN : Comcast will likely win, but it could take a year or two before it is heard and ruled on. By then Martin will have moved on from the FCC to his run for office in North Carolina. In the meantime he can claim how consumer friendly he was by sticking it to a cable company. A no lose decision for him. That is how politics is played in the big leagues.
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