 GomezExile in waitingPremium,Ex-Mod 06-11
join:2001-02-21
Atlanta, GA | [game] Shirts: Where's my shoes? It was a typical quiet day. Or so it seemed. Muz awoke, and the room was in disarray, the closet door was open, and heard a commotion in the other room. He grabbed the first the thing handy and headed to the other room.
The site of Muz entering the room, swinging a six string axe, was enough to send the three uninvited guests scattering, one of them carrying the prized stilettos, but who?
Who
Mod
Gomez  
Players
iceangel 
Count Zero 
yock 
Setup
Attribute
Shoe color.
Each player knows his attribute.
There is exactly one mafia scum who committed the act.
There is exactly one sane witness who can identify the mafia attribute.
There is exactly one delusional witness who thinks sh/she knows the Mafia attribute, but actually knows the sane witnesses' attribute.
The witnesses do not know if they are sane or delusional.
More on the shirts variant can be read here: »www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php···e=Shirts
Rules
- Out of thread communication is prohibited. If you are contacted outside of the forum about the game, please let me know.
- Ambiguous hints are not allowed.. best paraphrased from the above URL:
"However, it is usually forbidden to hint (rather than fully claim) a color. For example, you may not say "my shirt is/is not one of the color's of the rainbow"; or in a game with US States: "I am from the South". Claims such as this make it impossible for the Murderer to construct a fake claim and if hinting is allowed the Witnesses will always win."
Randomization and roles going out shortly.
2 Will be: You are a witness. You are wearing __ shoes, and you saw __ shoes.
1 Will be: You are scum. You are wearing __ shoes.
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It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players. |
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 Count ZeroMD2BePremium
join:2007-01-18
Warner Robins, GA | Hey everyone. |
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 yockTFTCPremium
join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | Hello indeed. Where's the ice princess? |
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Count ZeroMD2BePremium
join:2007-01-18
Warner Robins, GA | I don't know - probably just signed up to not play... |
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 iceangelPremium
join:2007-12-08
Beverly Hills, CA | reply to Gomez
here |
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iceangelPremium
join:2007-12-08
Beverly Hills, CA | reply to Gomez
So do you guys want me to tell you my shoe color and what color shoes I saw? |
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yockTFTCPremium
join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | I'm wearing black and I saw white. Lets hear it guys. |
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iceangelPremium
join:2007-12-08
Beverly Hills, CA | I'm wearing blue and I saw black. |
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Count ZeroMD2BePremium
join:2007-01-18
Warner Robins, GA | reply to Gomez
I'm wearing brown and I saw black. Very interesting... |
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Count ZeroMD2BePremium
join:2007-01-18
Warner Robins, GA | My assumption after looking at the spreadsheet is that IceAngel is our culprit.
My guess is that I'm the delusional witness, Yock is the sane witness and that IceAngel pulled blue out of a bag of colors that were unlikely to be used in the game thus preventing anyone from having actually 'seen' their claimed shoes.
Thoughts? |
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iceangelPremium
join:2007-12-08
Beverly Hills, CA | My guess is that I'm the delusional witness and saw black, which is what the sane witness yock is wearing. Yock the sane witness saw white, which is what Count Zero the killer is wearing.
vote: Count Zero |
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Count ZeroMD2BePremium
join:2007-01-18
Warner Robins, GA | Well I'll match you
vote Iceangel
who wears blue shoes? |
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iceangelPremium
join:2007-12-08
Beverly Hills, CA | said by Count Zero:Well I'll match you vote Iceangelwho wears blue shoes? Well this is it. I know who I am and I know who you are now but I think you should have picked me to fool and not yock. Yock is too good and will find some clue that we both missed that will point you to being the killer.
You should have instead tried to make yock look like the killer, I would have been easier to fool and vote for yock. |
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Count ZeroMD2BePremium
join:2007-01-18
Warner Robins, GA | Actually I think you did try that trying to fool me but you didn't.
Thanks for sucking up to the guy who can help you win now. |
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iceangelPremium
join:2007-12-08
Beverly Hills, CA | said by Count Zero:Actually I think you did try that trying to fool me but you didn't. Thanks for sucking up to the guy who can help you win now. I'm interested in seeing how this will play out. TBH I think this game is too hard for the killer to win. The killer will almost always have to be the last person to post their color and what they saw, since they have to calculate what to post based on what the real witnesses' colors are.
If the killer posts too soon before everyone else has posted, they might end up posting a color that would make no sense and thus making themself obvious. |
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Count ZeroMD2BePremium
join:2007-01-18
Warner Robins, GA | Is that a confession or a slip?
It's a logical game... it's supposed to be hard. I'll be the killer getting a 33% win rate is a victory for them. |
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iceangelPremium
join:2007-12-08
Beverly Hills, CA | reply to iceangel
What I mean is, here's an example.
Killer posts first: I saw orange and I'm wearing pink.
Witness1 posts second: I saw black and am wearing blue.
Witness2 posts second: I saw blue and am wearing purple.
It then be incredibly obvious who the killer was, since no one at all saw pink and no one wore orange.
Thus, the killer will almost always have to be the last person to post his/her color and what he/she saw, else it would be too easy for him/her to slip up with a color that makes no sense.
All in all, this argument does not help me or count zero, but it does help Yock since he was the first to post his/her color, meaning he cannot at all be the killer unless he's retarded. |
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Count ZeroMD2BePremium
join:2007-01-18
Warner Robins, GA | I don't know, I'll bet if we look over the previous games a killer has posted first and won before - just takes a lot of luck and a smooth tongue (and did I mention luck?) |
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Count ZeroMD2BePremium
join:2007-01-18
Warner Robins, GA | reply to iceangel
However, saying the killer is always the last to post is a major flaw - that would be like saying it's safe to always vote on the third person who posts their information and if you looked at my time stamps yesterday you'll see the last time I signed on was hours before either you or Yock posted your information and I posted mine immediately after I got online this morning.
I'd say the killer should be able to come up with a rational story after the first person has voted and perhaps first if the mod were so kind as to give the mafia member a 'free' attribute as Gomez did in some of his earlier games IIRC. |
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iceangelPremium
join:2007-12-08
Beverly Hills, CA | reply to Count Zero
said by Count Zero:I don't know, I'll bet if we look over the previous games a killer has posted first and won before - just takes a lot of luck and a smooth tongue (and did I mention luck?) Perhaps... but I don't operate on luck I operate on odds. Sure, people have won the 200million dollar lottery, doesn't mean I play it.
If the killer posts first, he needs a TON of luck to have it work in his favor. It's just not a good idea for him to do so.
I think we can both safely conclude that Yock is definitely a witness |
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